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Temptation of Messiah — Scripture Refs in Matt 4:1-11

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Bismarck, Aug 22, 2007.

  1. Bismarck

    Bismarck New Member

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    Dear All,

    Please notice that the Messiah quoted exclusively from Deuteronomy to guard against Satan's temptations in Matthew 4:1-11. The Messiah quoted, respectively:

    (1) Deut 8:3 — vs. Satan's dare to turn stones into bread (v.2)

    (2) Deut 6:16 — vs. Satan's dare to jump from the Temple pinnacle (v.6)

    (3) Deut 6:13 — vs. Satan's offer of world domination (v.10)

    The fact that the Messiah's quotes targeted such a specific part of Scripture intrigued me. So, after looking into the matter further, I would like to offer the following additional 'insights'.

    In v.2, Satan dares the Messiah to turn "stones" into "bread". In all of Scripture, there are only four (4) verses (that I found) that contain both of these words:

    (1) Deut 8:9
    (2) Deut 9:9
    (3-4) Matt 7:9 = Luke 11:11

    OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCES (DEUT 8:9, 9:9)


    Interestingly, we have two (2) more links to Deuteronomy. Now, Deut 5-11 is a recapitulation of Moses on Mt. Horeb:

    Deut 5 — The Ten Commandments
    Deut 6 — The Greatest Commandment: Love YHWH thy God
    Deut 7 — A Chosen People Driving Out the Nations
    Deut 8 — Remember YHWH thy God
    Deut 9 — Not Because of Israel's Righteousness & The Golden Calf
    Deut 10 — New Tablets of Stone Like the First Ones & Circumcise your Hearts / Fear YHWH
    Deut 11 — Love and Serve YHWH

    So, it seems to me that Satan obliquely refered to Deut 9:9 and 8:9. Recognizing this, the Messiah quoted three (3) more verses from that very section (Deut 8:3, 6:16, 6:13). The topics / concepts referenced amidst this "Scriptural shoot-out" are:

    Not Because of Israel's Righteousness
    Remember YHWH thy God (x2)
    The Greatest Commandment: Love YHWH thy God (x2)


    Further, as recognized by the excellent "Oxford Bible Commentary", the Messiah's presence on a mountain in the Wilderness (along with these explicity Scriptural references) clearly ALLUDES to Moses on the Mountain of God in the Wilderness. In particular, both the Messiah and Moses spent FOURTY days & nights on those mountains. Moreover, the Israelites spent FOURTY years in the Wilderness.

    So, it seems that our attention is being first draw towards Deut 5-11, and then to "fourty" [units of time]. There are seven (7) verses which deal with this:

    (1) Deu 8:2 And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, [and] to prove thee, to know what [was] in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no.

    COMMENT: Indeed, the Messiah proved that his heart was true and that, unlike the Israelites who grumbled for food (Ex 16:2), the Messiah humbly kept YHWH's Commands close to his heart and never complained.

    (2) Deu 8:4 Thy raiment waxed not old upon thee, neither did thy foot swell , these forty years.

    (3) Deu 9:9 When I was gone up into the mount to receive the tables of stone, [even] the tables of the covenant which the YHWH made with you, then I abode in the mount forty days and forty nights, I neither did eat bread nor drink water:

    COMMENT: This is an exact parallel to the Messiah, who fasted for fourty days & nights and who perhaps received his commands from YHWH-God for his ministry

    (4) Deu 9:11 And it came to pass at the end of forty days and forty nights, [that] YHWH gave me the two tables of stone, [even] the tables of the covenant.

    (5) Deu 9:18 And I fell down before YHWH, as at the first, forty days and forty nights: I did neither eat bread, nor drink water, because of all your sins which ye sinned, in doing wickedly in the sight of YHWH, to provoke him to anger.

    COMMENT: Moses interceded on behalf of Israel and prayed for their forgiveness. The Messiah did the same for his people. This is a CRUCIAL POINTthe Messiah PRAYED for the FORGIVENESS of the ISRAELITES, that they might be delivered from bondage to Rome. Indeed, the Messiah quotes from Deut 8 and Deut 6, suggestively skipping over Deut 7 — which deals precisely with DRIVING OUT THE HEATHEN NATIONS.

    (6) Deu 9:25 Thus I fell down before YHWH forty days and forty nights, as I fell down [at the first]; because YHWH had said he would destroy you.

    (7) Deu 10:10 And I stayed in the mount, according to the first time, forty days and forty nights; and YHWH hearkened unto me at that time also, [and] YHWH would not destroy thee.


    NEW TESTAMENT REFERENCE (MATT 7:9 = LUKE 11:11)

    In Matt 7:9 (=Luke 11:11), the Messiah says:

    "Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?"

    Interestingly, this is PRECISELY what Satan tried to foist upon the Messiah in the Wilderness in Matt 4:1-11. That is, Satan tried to TRICK the Messiah into eating rocks when he was famished from fourty days & nights of fasting. This PROVES that Satan is indeed NOT a loving father like YHWH-God. Indeed, the Messiah goes on to say (vv. 10-11):

    "Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? If ye then, being evil*, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?"

    This serves as a poignant WARNING that Satan does NOT know how to give good gifts to those who follow Satan (poetically, Satan's "children").


    * The Greek word rendered 'evil' in the AV is "poneros" (G04190). It means "Full of Labors / Pain" and is a clear reference to Mankind's fallen state resulting from the sins of Adam & Eve in Eden and the curses (Gen 3:16-19) they therefore incurred.
     
  2. npetreley

    npetreley New Member

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    You lost me. What was the point? Can you express it more simply for brain-dead folks like me?
     
  3. ReformedBaptist

    ReformedBaptist Well-Known Member

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    Ditto
    :saint:
     
  4. David Lamb

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    Me too, I'm afraid! Sorry.
     
  5. ReformedBaptist

    ReformedBaptist Well-Known Member

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    Must be the ME stuff again... :laugh:
     
  6. av1611jim

    av1611jim New Member

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    Certainly is NOT "ME stuff again".

    Must be that Calvinist malarkey.
     
  7. J. Jump

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    Well actually the tempation of Christ has a lot to do with the kingdom as it was a test to see if Christ was going to prove Himself worth to reign or if He was going to succomb to the wiles of the evil one. Many, many thanks be to God that He passed the test and in fact did prove Himself worthy!!!!
     
  8. Amy.G

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    Am I reading this correctly????? Christ had to PROVE Himself??????

    Christ is God. IS God. I AM!
     
  9. J. Jump

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    Yes you are reading that correct. Christ did have to prove Himself. You are forgetting that Christ was also 100% Man as well! As a Man He had to prove Himself worry to rule. Adam failed in his test and Christ had to be tested as well. He passed! Thanks be to God!!!!
     
  10. npetreley

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    Is any bizarre doctrine permitted on this board as long as people call themselves Baptists? Can I get on here and preach that when believers die we all go to Paulie's Bar and Grill in Bayonne, NJ, and still post as much as I want as long as I put "Baptist" in my profile?
     
  11. Amy.G

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    Evidentally. :tear:
     
  12. Amy.G

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    He was/is 100% God!

    Since when has God had to prove Himself as worthy?
     
  13. J. Jump

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    You keep ignoring another criticlly and equal part of Christ and that was/is He is 100% Man! Are you denying that?

    If not then He had to prove Himself as qualified to rule. Since when . . . well since that's the way God established rulership over this earth as far as man is concerned.

    I have no idea "why" He did it that way, but He did, so we can either believe Him or not. I choose to believe.
     
  14. Amy.G

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    God planned Christ's death, burial and resurrection before He ever created anything. Jesus didn't have to prove a thing.
     
  15. J. Jump

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    That's not what we're talking about here Amy. We're talking about His temptation/testing.

    Well you can believe that if you want to. Scripture says otherwise, so I'll go with the Perfect Book. You can't claim that He is 100% God at the expense of His 100% humanity.

    As a man he had to be tested and pass the test in regard to rulership over the earth. That is very evident in that Satan offered rulership to Him during His testing, but He knew that He couldn't reign without suffering or He would usurp God's plan.

    But like I said you are more than welcome to believe what you want to believe.
     
  16. Bismarck

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    "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
    Mark 13:32


    Yeshua the Messiah is not YHWH-God, the Father.
     
  17. MNJacob

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    Yeshua the Messiah is not YHWH-God, the Father.[/quote]

    How do you then deal with John 10:30? "I and the Father are one."?
     
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