Christian "Rock"?

Those your words SFIC, or God's? You really think God will turn them away? Please provide some proof of that. Regardless of musical style, isn't it draw'em in with a Godly message, Christ will keep 'em regardless of what's playing behind the message?

 

What on earth are you talking about?

 

The shooting post was meant for another thread.

 

Ahh... I see. Thought I missed something.

 

These blind eyes tend to miss things from time to time.

 

Happens to the best of us.

 

Some things to consider about music in the New Testament:

Ephesians 5:18-20 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

The result of being filled with the Holy Spirit:
19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

The result of singing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in heart to the Lord.
20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

The emphasis on the "music" of the New Testament churches was on the lyrics, the words, not on the instruments. In fact there is no evidence anywhere that the early church used instruments in their services. Great emphasis was put on the words which were "spoken" and "sung" "making melody." Nothing is said about instruments and there is no evidence of musical instruments in the church until about the fourth century.

Colossians 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
Psalms teach and admonish, as well as hymns and spiritual songs. Do the hymns and spiritual songs that we sing accomplish this biblical purpose. Is what is sung in the churches sung with grace; with grace in your hearts to the Lord. I would venture to say that any kind of rock cannot be sung with grace.

Music is not for entertainment. When music is used for entertainment in the Bible it is used in connection with idolatry.
"Music," that is lifting our voices up in praise to God, always has a purpose. That purpose is either for good or for evil. The same holds true for instumental music. Thus music is not amoral, and very definitey can be immoral.

1 Samuel 16:23 And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him.
--David's music soothed the spirit of Saul. He was able to play Godly music.

Exodus 32:18 And he said, It is not the voice of them that shout for mastery, neither is it the voice of them that cry for being overcome: but the noise of them that sing do I hear.

Exodus 32:19 And it came to pass, as soon as he came nigh unto the camp, that he saw the calf, and the dancing: and Moses' anger waxed hot,

Exodus 32:25 And when Moses saw that the people were naked; (for Aaron had made them naked unto their shame among their enemies

Exodus 32:28 And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men.

The music was ungodly, idolatrous, wicked. It may very well have been somewhat like rock music--a music that would be easy to dance to. It would be hard to dance to David's harp wouldn't it?
There is much else to say on music. There is plenty that I have already posted on worldliness, and lots of Scripture to back that aspect of CCM up as well. The Bible commands us to be holy unto the Lord. Our music needs to be holy as well-singing with grace in our hearts to the Lord.
DHK

 

DHK said:

HMV sells music that the world wants; music that appeals to the flesh.

HMV is a retailer; they are motivated by profit. They sell what will make money for them.

If HMV stores believed that selling hymn CDs would have enough of an effect on their bottom line, they'd be on display racks at the front entrance of every store.

 

DHK said:

The result of singing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in heart to the Lord.
20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

I give thanks always that my church is providentially free of lemon-sucking busybodies who think their personal preferences in music ought to be laws for everyone else.

Since they wouldn't like the kind of music we play, there's no need for us to justify it to them, and everyone is satisfied.

 

What about them? Their not a group I would remotely listen to. Next.

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Jesus is the Rock that rolled by blues away

 

There are pastors that give the pastorate a bad name. So what?

 

You know on one hand, I think this thread is so tired and so pointless, and on the other hand I am so disgusted I feel like responding again. My worship comes from my heart, where the Holy Spirit lives. I am passionate about it and it is a pretty extreme move on another Christians part to step in and start making these type of accusations against my chuch and my worship style. I find it offensive. If I am going to accuse a brother or sister of behaving worldly, sinful, and especially pagan, I'd better be right. Music changes with time, just like so many other things. It is innanimate and doesn't have the ability to be good or evil. It is the heart of the person writing, playing, or singing that can be good or evil. When Jesus came he had showed us that legalism is futile, sin resides in the heart. Jesus is surely more concerned with his children sitting around bickering and throwing accusations. I'd like to appeal to those of us who realize this is an issue of prefernce to just move on and let go of our hurt, annoyed, or bitter feelings.

 

Page 20 I am wishing for
Page 20 I am wanting more and more.

 

The issue isn't lyrically, right. If it's just the music you take issue with, I'll leave it alone... agree to disagree and stop contributing to this madness. But if it's the lyrics, I'm gonna need examples.

And by the way, the list of examples by artist was very informative. Just know that for (most) of those artists you listed, for every one song you list that's bad, I can list 10 that are sound. Honestly, some of those bands and artists I've never heard of, and I worked in a Christian bookstore for 4 years. Be careful, brothers, judging preference as God-breathed.

 

Joshua, is that the only tie you have? Every time I see you, you're wearing it.