Christian Feminism...

I agree to a point...
But it does make sure that things are done in decency and in order in the church...
Come communion Sunday, everyone knows the table will be prepared, because someone specific has the responsibility to do so...
Same as when a woman is being Baptized, a church with deaconesses knows that the woman will be helped into and out of the baptistry, because someone specifically has that responsibility...

And would you go to any woman in the congregation to talk about personal things... or would you rather go to someone who has had training so that she can advise you the right way?

In small churches, these problems may not exist, but in churches say 400 or more in attendance, these problems must be addressed...

I am not arguing one way or another...
A church that limits their women has every right to, because each church is autonomous...

But, I am arguing for understanding on this issue...
You don't have to agree with others, but please try to understand there are other valid viewpoints as well.

Just because one Christian doesn't see the scripture the same as another Christian doesn't make them a bad Christian.
We should remember this.

 

There is a distinct difference between differing views and diminishing the Word of God. And some views are a result of this.

 

Good post, annsi, but where's the little soprano choir member? :laugh:

love,

Sopranette

 

Apparently if you don't have deaconesses your church is in order.
In our previous church(we are still unfamiliar with the new church) there was a set person who was in charge of communion, every one knew it would be done right as she has been doing it for 20 or so years, and she isn't a deacon.
There is also someone whose job it is to help women out being baptized, no one has to go search for someone, we all know the job will be done. And she isn't a deacon.
If I were in need of counsel I would know what women I could go to, we all know who can want to confide in. And we aren't limited to a deaconess.
We are not a small church, we are the largest in our whole area, with over 500.
Women not being deacons is not limiting them, it is freeing all women up to be able to minister. In your church all women not deacons are limited because some jobs are obviously for deaconesses only, meaning if you want to be biblical, then that church limits what you can do to serve God, rejects the woman who does not wish to fulfil a man's role.
Each church is autonomous, but it does not mean they can violate scripture if they so wish.
The bible says what it says, a bad christian denies it and does what they want. Like women deacons and pastors.

 

And I'd bet none of you are even deacons either. Who would ahve thought a church can function without violating scritpure.

 

Do I serve 2 masters? No. To me the most important thing in my life is my relationship with my Lord. And my relationship with Him is more important than what a woman can/cannot do etc. Last night I was in Isaiah 66--verses 1 and 2 caught me and really spoke to me and the thought came ---How BIG is my God? Sitting there saying that a woman cannot do this and that really in my opinion limits God's working. Almost like saying Oh God we love you but you cannot do this, this, and this...Is that right, no. I love spending time in the word and time in prayer and watching God close some of the doors in my life and open new ones. I love the opportunities to serve He has presented me with, I love the people he has put in my life to help me get through the divorce and I love the man he has put in my life to close one chapter in my life and open up a new chapter. I have had so many people tell me that my divorce is wrong, well in all honesty I was happy living with my cheating husband I am guessing he wants more in his life whatever that may be. But I am glad I am a woman who can handle whatever is thrown at her as long as I have Christ with me. I am not a traditional person by any means and I refuse to be lumped into this well "traditional" role. Thats proabably why I attend a come as you are Baptist Church and read from the amplified version of the bible. I was told when I was growing up that girls wear dresses and dont climb trees and raise steers and I showed everyone that oh yeah a girl can.

 

Therein lies the problem with much of this conversation, because that is exactly what it means! I may not like it, but it isn't independent or autonomous if it isn't the independence or autonomy to believe the "wrong" things.

 

Thank you for responding, superwoman. There's nothing wrong with being a strong woman, definitely! But I can also see you have been deeply hurt by what has happened in your marriage. Please do not let this hurt blind you to God's perfect instruction.

love,

Sopranette

 

When I read that, I imagined you singing this...


I can bring home the bacon
fry it up in a pan
and never, never, never
let you forget you're a man
cause I'm a woman

YOU GO GIRL!!!

 

Have you ever attended an ordination where the person leading the ordination ever asked the candidate to talk about personal discipleship and to tell the congregation about those he has discipled. I have never heard anyone talk about personal discipleship in an ordination service. However I have asked the question of a man wanting to be an elder in a church I attended.

 

Don't be so sure. Try reading the letter dated 112 A.D. where Governor Pliny wrote a letter to the emperor Trajan. In it he mentions a couple of deaconesses (Book X, XCVI, 8, 289). It is available in the Loeb Classical Library series.

 

This si not the bible, why would we consider it having any authority at all. All it could possibly prove is that people have always wanted to violate scripture.

 

When you find a perfect church do not join it because you will ruin it.

 

So in your gifted wisdom your interpretation is void of historical context?

God gave you a brain too. That is not in the Bible. Do you check your brains at the door when you enter the church building because brains are not in the Bible?

According to your hermeneutic that if you drive a car and use a flush toilet you are in violation of scripture. If it is not in the Bible then you must not drive a car or use a flush toilet.

Obviously you did not read the letter. If you had then you would have not answered so hastily.

 

THE LETTER is not from scripture and holds no authority.
Your insults are very Christ like aren't they.