1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Just Something I Wrote

Discussion in 'Music Ministry' started by gekko, May 23, 2006.

  1. PastorSBC1303

    PastorSBC1303 Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2003
    Messages:
    15,125
    Likes Received:
    1
    Exactly right! [​IMG]
     
  2. Shiloh

    Shiloh New Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2002
    Messages:
    937
    Likes Received:
    0
    Shiloh doesn't get "mad". Shiloh is amused that every time I write or another "conservative" writes, the same people follow them around to criticize what ever they post. :rolleyes: :D A debate forum is just that, a place to debate. Some like it some don't. I just asked if hair on the chinny chin chin makes one a complete authority on everything. Personally I don't think so. However if it does then I'll grow myself. I would have one like the Squire! Now, that's a mans beard. He didn't just miss a spot on the chin and then let someone take his picture of a botched job. [​IMG] Oh, by the way not-sleepy rapper......I think you should keep your day job! [​IMG]
     
  3. J.D.

    J.D. Active Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2006
    Messages:
    3,553
    Likes Received:
    11
    I think it's very creative. I'm not against rap as a musical form per se, but you’re not likely to catch me listening to it.

    I remember the first rap I ever heard many years ago was an anti-smoking rap that a couple of twelve-year-old kids made up. I liked it, but not enough to buy the CD.

    I love to listen to all forms of music, but I would never classify rap or most of the other popular styles as worship music, since music which honors God must be lyrically refined and must have melody as its prominent musical feature IMO. I listen to bluegrass gospel music in my home, but I'm not comfortable hearing it in church. Music in church should be able to cut across the particular fashions of the people, and the musical style should never distract from the message, and nothing should distract from the primacy of the preaching of the word. At home, I'll tap my foot and even get up and dance, but I would never do that in church. Yep, it's distractive!

    I think SFIC has been ungracious in his posts, but on the other hand, I've found that being direct in my opinions has brought me much condemnation on this forum. If I don't like something, I should be able to just say "I don't like it." It's interesting to me that one of the favorite activities of "non-judgers" is judging "judgers".
     
  4. Joshua Rhodes

    Joshua Rhodes <img src=/jrhodes.jpg>

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2003
    Messages:
    3,944
    Likes Received:
    0
    It must be just you. I didn't say anything about your opinion, it was the method by which you and others expressed their opinion. Can you be kinder, or is that against the Shiloh-code?

    Wisely put. Do you have facial hair, whatever?

    If this is to me, then actually I think I should tell you I'm not following you. I post here alot.

    You're not debating. You're just insulting.

    Who would have ever thought that you and I could agree on anything outside of the basic tenets of our faith?

    Hmmmm. That was compassionate. :rolleyes:

    Ahh... but that's the rub, isn't it? Gekko never said it was worship music. He never said he was going to rush out and "sing" this in a church service. He wrote the lyrics because he was up, and posted them here for your perusal.
     
  5. gekko

    gekko New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2005
    Messages:
    2,030
    Likes Received:
    0
    huh.

    its amazes me to look and think that so many on this board think that people who like rap music think it should be in the church for worship.

    no. it shouldn't be. that's personal music. its songs from the heart (if in fact they are from the person's heart) - take LeCrae for example on www.reachrecords.com

    souled out.

    i wonder sometimes why some people are so opposed to rap music (dont go arguing if its music or not.) is it just the beat? is it the lifestyle associated with it?

    what kind of lifestyle is associated with hip-hop music? the thug life, slums, suburbs, projects, dirty south, mid-west - take your pick. its everywhere - who listens and who performs hip-hop? mostly those who live in the alley-ways - now though they don't because they are famous.

    why put down hip-hop? what if the topic of polka was brought up?

    hip-hop portray's the thug life? i can agree with that. why can i agree with that? because it does. the artists are from there - grew up in it - and exposing it. whether christian or not - its exposed - yet in a different light. or non-light.

    just because something doesn't rhyme perfectly or what-have-you does not mean its for the dogs. but even the dogs have to eat right? whatever is vomit can be for the dogs. whatever is not - take it to thought - what's the content saying? think of the metaphors or the similies or the symbolism - the imagery. what is it saying? what is it portraying? if not Godly - chuck it. if it does resemble somewhat of Godliness - test it. if Godliness is evident within the content of the lyrics - check it.

    hip-hop has not - is not - and will not be worship for that in the church. outside the church i see it (the more biblically based hip-hop such from www.crossmovementrecords.com) is personal worship. its a type of worship.

    not that i won't sing from my heart - honestly i do not like the so called professing christian songs that keep sings "oh Jesus! praise you Jesus! we love you! please help us! please save us Jesus!"

    reminds me of what somebody posted in a topic (that got closed) i started earlier. the song by keith green "asleep in the light"
    here's one of the verses:

    "Oh Bless me Lord, bless me Lord, you know it's all I ever hear,
    No one aches, no one hurts, no one even sheds one tear,
    But He cries, He weeps, He bleeds, and He cares for your needs,
    And you just lay back and keep soaking it in, oh, can't you see it's such sin?"

    i can relate to that - it is all i ever hear...

    back to hip-hop/rap.

    what's wrong with it? nothing. what's wrong with it being played as worship in the church? everything.

    i dont know of anybody who has said that it should be in the church - i know of churches that do - but the thing is - they are located in the projects - in the slums - in the dirty south - the midwest. in the alleyways - set up like a rhyme battle - but its church for them - church the street people can go to - instead of getting hit on - beat on - spat upon and pratically thrown out - gawked at.... if they had've gone to the local quaint baptist church in the richer community. richer then them that is.

    we city-slickers - farmhands - children of riches... we dont see it. we dont. some may - but do not do much because of the lack of support from the rest of the body. they are struggling for life - we are struggling to pay our next bill. i think all i have to say really in association to hip-hop and the lifestyle portrayed - or what most think is portrayed - is this:

    what about them?
     
  6. ASLANSPAL

    ASLANSPAL New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2004
    Messages:
    2,318
    Likes Received:
    0
    I like when rap is mixed with good harmonies and musical background and foreground...P.O.D. is very good...Alicia Keyes is very good.

    POD Video link:Goodbye For Now

    [​IMG]


    Great song with rap and praise imho...pure charisma and feeling.

    "I'm not the type to say I told ya so"
     
  7. whatever

    whatever New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2004
    Messages:
    2,088
    Likes Received:
    1
    No, unless nose hair counts.
     
  8. Shiloh

    Shiloh New Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2002
    Messages:
    937
    Likes Received:
    0
    Where is that prison? Usually there is only two guys in a cell.
     
  9. Terry_Herrington

    Terry_Herrington New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2002
    Messages:
    4,455
    Likes Received:
    1
    Wow, so much compassion, and this is the third insult in a row!

    Maybe I will start a thread making fun of blind people. We could even ask how many items of furniture they bump into on the way to the bathroom. :rolleyes:
     
  10. J.D.

    J.D. Active Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2006
    Messages:
    3,553
    Likes Received:
    11
    That's some pretty unhappy looking guys up there. What message am I supposed to get from that picture?
     
  11. music4Him

    music4Him New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2004
    Messages:
    3,333
    Likes Received:
    0
    I like it gekko! [​IMG]
    At a church I used to attend there was a young man who did come in and rap a song out. A person who was critical of this type of music asked him not to sing it anymore and therefore he left the church. His words were awesome and one rap song was about just wanting to be what God wanted him to be. I'm am glad as a Christians we are all different. Keep it up!
     
  12. Shiloh

    Shiloh New Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2002
    Messages:
    937
    Likes Received:
    0
    I thought this was about a bunch of BLIND guys? Spiritually blind! Christian rap, christian dance music......(sick) spiritually sick people.
     
  13. standingfirminChrist

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2005
    Messages:
    9,454
    Likes Received:
    3
    Hey, go ahead. I will laugh with you. Did I ever tell you about the time I stood on a pool table and tapped each side several times with my cane just so a blind girl would chase me around it?
     
  14. gekko

    gekko New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2005
    Messages:
    2,030
    Likes Received:
    0
    SFIC said "you wasted your time"

    i wasted my time eh.
    so when someone is called to the ministry - and comes and explains the details on the board here...

    do you then say "you wasted your time" ?

    no. didn't think so.

    ---------------------

    just to elaborate on the original quesiton:

    what do you people understand out of it?
    you have any suggestions on to what i can change - word suggestions etc?

    ----------------------

    i love Godly hip-hop. but my favorite music is acoustic/surf...
    quite the differance eh? lol.
     
  15. standingfirminChrist

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2005
    Messages:
    9,454
    Likes Received:
    3
    I said you wasted your time, because rap is worldly. It is not music. It is mostly uncertain noise. Does nothing but feeds the flesh.

    You asked what people thought, I responded with truth.

    The child of God should not want to be associated with the things of the world... not even their so-called music styles.

    Where did rap, hip-hop, and rock and roll originate? In the world. Leave it there.

    Wherefore come out from amongst them and be ye separate saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

    I am sure someone, to justify loving the things of the world, will come out with some silly statement that Noah listened to rap on the Ark, or David was dancing to hip-hop in the streets when returning with the Ark of the Covenant. But it is not so.

    Moses spoke against the idolatrous and adulterous dancing at the foot of the Mount when he returned with the tablets of stone.

    Yet, the children of God this day and age have taken off their helmet of salvation (the mind of Christ) and replaced it with a different style of headgear; a visor of vanity.
     
  16. Magnetic Poles

    Magnetic Poles New Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2005
    Messages:
    10,407
    Likes Received:
    0
    SFIC, do you live in a house, like the people of the world do? Do you wear worldly clothing? Do you eat the same food as the unrepentant? Why would a child of God want to be associated with the things of the world?
     
  17. standingfirminChrist

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2005
    Messages:
    9,454
    Likes Received:
    3
    MP, I do not wear clothing that portrays the worldly lusts and vanities. My house is a house dedicated to the Lord. My food as well.

    There is a big difference in that which the flesh needs (i.e., a house, food, clothing, etc.), and what the spirit needs.

    Music of the world has no place in the hearts of the children of God. Ye cannot drink of the cup of the Lord and the cup of devils.
     
  18. Eric B

    Eric B Active Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    May 26, 2001
    Messages:
    4,838
    Likes Received:
    5
    And your side never has proven that Classical/traditional is not from the world, (and even has been associated with evil). Aaron attemped for years, but went nowhere, and now has apparently given up.
    You should know that "the flesh" is not just bodily pleasure (as if that was always sinful in itself int he first place), but other, spiritual vices such as prode, and classical loving cultures, sitting stiffly and contemplating to their music and looking down on others have certainly been guilty of this. Sorry, but Western civilization is not God's "sacred" culture while everything else is "the world". The original music of midestern Biblical culture was more rhythmic then melodic. "make melodies in your heart" says nothing about any Western-devised "order" of music elements.
    http://members.aol.com/etb700/ccm.html

    Originally, it was not glorifying thug life, but rather was party music, and then became conscious message-oriented (making it much like preaching), both decrying the reality of slum life, and also offering wisdom as how to avoid trouble and stay alive. It was when Run-DMC butsr on the scene, and transformed the genre into aggressive bragaddocio that it all began to go down hill. The aggression soon turned from imaginary competing rappers (i.e. "sucker MC's"), to real competing rappers and concert-goers foighting each other, and then the cops (as it spread to the West Coast), and then entering the 90's, it became a continuation of the thug/pimp lifestyle, in total contrast from 10 years earlier when it spoke against that. But that was all what sold. Only nobody remebered the early period (the original "old school"), and of course, traditional-only advocates, who were never friendly to urban culture (Just from listening to their politics as well) and were already screaming at the contemporary church for using rock only used rap's bad image to further condemn the genre.
     
  19. ASLANSPAL

    ASLANSPAL New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2004
    Messages:
    2,318
    Likes Received:
    0
    Hey, go ahead. I will laugh with you. Did I ever tell you about the time I stood on a pool table and tapped each side several times with my cane just so a blind girl would chase me around it? </font>[/QUOTE]SFIC ever had a seeing eye dog ;)
    [​IMG]

    gekko very good writing...Jesus was the creative artist in the making of a beautiful blue marble in a deep dark universe ..illuminated by the suns canvas of light. Jesus understands you ...for he has the same attributes...HE IS AN ARTIST ALSO.

    I have come half way with rap...a guy by the name of travelsong kinda changed my mind..still do not care for pure rap...must have music. like I said in a previous post like rap mixed with harmonies and good production of music.

    gekko do like your music sense ..the post a month or so ago on the Canadian christian folk singers was well worth the listen...keep up the creativity.
     
  20. standingfirminChrist

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2005
    Messages:
    9,454
    Likes Received:
    3
    ASLAN,

    Back in 1993, I trained a snow white german shephard for my eyes. I had her for 3 years. Now, I am married and my wife and I have talked about another dog for me and we have both decided right now, we do not need one right now.
     
Loading...