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affinity of the 1560 Geneva Bible and NKJV

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Logos1560, Dec 9, 2008.

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  1. Logos1560

    Logos1560 Well-Known Member
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    Gen. 1:28 fill the earth (Geneva, NKJV) replenish the earth (KJV)
    Gen. 21:26 know (Geneva, NKJV) wot (KJV)
    Gen. 28:11 And he came (Geneva, NKJV) And he lighted (KJV)
    Gen. 37:22 deliver (Geneva, NKJV) rid (KJV)
    Gen. 41:54 famine (Geneva, NKJV) dearth (KJV)
    Exod. 3:22 shall ask (Geneva, NKJV) shall borrow (KJV)
    Exod. 5:19 diminish (Geneva, NKJV) minish (KJV)
    Exod. 9:31 flax and the barley were (Geneva, NKJV) flax and the barley was (KJV)
    Exod. 13:12 womb (Geneva, NKJV) matrix (KJV)
    Exod. 15:27 seventy (Geneva, NKJV) threescore and ten (KJV)
    Eoxd. 34:19 womb (Geneva, NKJV) matrix (KJV)
    Exod. 37:9 toward the mercyseat (Geneva, NKJV) to the mercy seatward (KJV)
    Lev. 10:14 they are (Geneva, NKJV) they be (KJV)
    Lev. 11:16 the seameaw (Geneva) the cuckow (KJV) the seagull (NKJV)
    Lev. 21:3 near (Geneva, NKJV) nigh (KJV)
    Numb. 22:6 know (Geneva, NKJV) wot (KJV)
    Deut. 14:15 ostrich (Geneva, NKJV) owl (KJV)
    Jud. 8:30 seventy (Geneva, NKJV) threescore and ten (KJV)
    1 Sam. 14:11 shewed themselves (Geneva) discovered themselves (KJV) showed themselves (NKJV)
    1 Sam. 17:6 young man (Geneva, NKJV) stripling (KJV)
    1 Sam. 30:13 ago (Geneva, NKJV) agone (KJV)
    1 Kings 2:1 near (Geneva, NKJV) nigh (KJV)
    2 Kings 4:38 famine (Geneva, NKJV) dearth (KJV)
    2 Kings 10:37 land of Ararat (Geneva, NKJV) land of Aremenia (KJV)
    2 Chron. 36:15 early (Geneva, NKJV) betimes (KJV)
    Job 30:29 ostriches (Geneva, NKJV) owls (KJV)
    Job 41:20 boiling pot (Geneva, NKJV) seething pot (KJV)
    Ps. 18:34 bow of brass (Geneva) bow of steel (KJV) bow of bronze (NKJV)
    Ps. 81:3 Blow the trumpet (Geneva, NKJV) Blow up the trumpet (KJV)
    Ps. 107:39 diminished (Geneva, NKJV) minished (KJV)
    Prov. 6:14 evil (Geneva, NKJV) mischief (KJV)
    Prov. 30:23 hateful woman (Geneva, NKJV) odious woman (KJV)
    Eccl. 6:7 soul (Geneva, NKJV) appetite (KJV)
    Song of Solomon 8:10 peace (Geneva, NKJV) favour (KJV)
    Isa. 7:25 sheep (Geneva, NKJV) lesser cattle (KJV)
    Isa. 34:5 Edom (Geneva, NKJV) Idumea (KJV)
    Isa. 34:11 pelican (Geneva, NKJV) cormorant (KJV)
    Isa. 37:38 land of Ararat (Geneva, NKJV) land of Armenia (KJV)
    Isa. 43:20 ostriches (Geneva, NKJV) owls (KJV)
    Isa. 43:23 sheep (Geneva, NKJV) small cattle (KJV)
    Jer. 5:6 destroy (Geneva, NKJV) spoil (KJV)
    Amos 5:8 Pleiades and Orion (Geneva, NKJV) the seven stars and Orion (KJV)
    Amos 5:26 Siccuth your king (Geneva) tabernacle of your Moloch (KJV) Sikkuth your king (NKJV)
    Amos 6:12 wormwood (Geneva, NKJV) hemlock (KJV)
    Micah 1:8 ostriches (Geneva, NKJV) owls (KJV)
    Zeph. 2:14 pelican (Geneva, NKJV) cormorant (KJV)

    Matt. 18:26 Master (Geneva, NKJV) Lord (KJV)
    Matt. 23:24 strain out (Geneva, NKJV) strain at (KJV)
    Mark 4:12 they should turn (Geneva, NKJV) they should be converted (KJV)
    Mark 7:27 good (Geneva, NKJV) meet (KJV)
    Luke 17:6 mulberry tree (Geneva, NKJV) sycamine tree (KJV)
    Acts 7:38 congregation (Geneva, NKJV) church (KJV)
    Acts 11:28 famine (Geneva, NKJV) dearth (KJV)
    Acts 12:4 passover (Geneva, NKJV) Easter (KJV)
    Acts 17:4 joined in company (Geneva) consorted (KJV) joined (NKJV)
    2 Cor. 3:18 mirror (Geneva, NKJV) glass (KJV)
    Eph. 1:19 toward us (Geneva, NKJV) to usward (KJV)
    Philemon 1:7 hearts (Geneva, NKJV) bowels (KJV)
    Heb. 6:8 near (Geneva, NKJV) nigh (KJV)
    Heb. 10:23 hope (Geneva, NKJV) faith (KJV)
    2 Peter 1:1 of our God and Saviour Jesus Christ (Geneva, NKJV) of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ (KJV)
    2 Peter 3:9 toward us (Geneva, NKJV) to us-ward (KJV)
     
    #1 Logos1560, Dec 9, 2008
  2. Japheth10

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    Wow! And those of the KAY JAY BEE OH "sect" claim the NKJV is Alexandrian:tear:
     
    #2 Japheth10, Dec 13, 2008
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    Of these 16 references the William Tyndale New Testament had 7 wordings in common with the KJV and 7 in common with the Geneva/NKJ.

    The cases where the wording was the same as the KJV :

    Mark 7:27;Luke 17:6;Acts 11:28;Acts 12:4;Ephesians 1:9;Hebrews 6:8 and 2 Peter 3:9.

    The seven instances where the WTT had the same rendering as the Geneva/NKJ :

    Matt.18:26;Matt. 23:24;Mark 4:12;Acts 7:38;Philemon 1:7;Heb.10:23 and 2 Peter 1:1.

    Two times the WTT had wording which differed from the KJV and Geneva/NKJ :

    Acts 17:4 accompanied
    2 Cor. 3:18 face open
     
    #3 Rippon, Dec 13, 2008
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    Alexandrian, Schmalexandrian.

    In the instances quoted by Logos1560 it seems the KJVs are out in left field.
     
    #4 Keith M, Dec 15, 2008
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    In a good number of my examples, the renderings mean basically the same thing. In several of these examples, the KJV kept its seeming more archaic rendering from the Bishops' Bible even though the clearer and more up-to-date [at least according to present English] rendering was already available in the Geneva.

    In some examples, the meanings of the renderings is obviously different.

    The Geneva Bible generally receives favorable comments from KJV-only advocates.



    William Bradley, a KJV-only author, wrote: “The translators changed virtually nothing from William Tyndale’s New Testament in the New Testament of the Geneva Bible” (Purified Seven Times, p. 87). Mickey Carter noted that the Geneva “differs from the King James Version only in differing English renderings of the same Greek texts” (Things That Are Different, p. 48). Carter acknowledged that "the Geneva Bible was hated by the Catholic Church" (Ibid.). In addition, Carter asserted that the Geneva Bible “is from the same manuscripts as the King James” (Revival Fires, Sept., 1996, p. 17). Murray, another KJV-only advocate, claimed: "There is not one difference suggested in the Geneva and the KJ Bible" (Authorized KJB Defended, p. 160). Gail Riplinger maintained that the earlier English Bibles such as Tyndale's and the Geneva are "practically identical to the KJV" (Language of the KJB, p. 5). Riplinger stated that the Geneva “follows the traditional text that underlies the King James Version” (Which Bible, p. 51). David Cloud suggested that the earlier English versions such as the Geneva Bible “differed only slightly from the King James Bible” (Bible Version Question/Answer, p. 92). David Loughran, a KJV-only author, wrote: “The Geneva Bible is a true ‘version’ having been translated from the original Hebrew and Greek throughout” (Bible Versions, p. 11). H. D. Williams listed the Geneva Bible as a “literal, verbal plenary translation” (Word-for-Word, p. 121). Robert Sargent referred to it as “a very good translation” (English Bible, p. 197). Peter Ruckman included the Geneva Bible on his good tree that is described at the bottom of the page as “the one, true, infallible, God-breathed Bible” (Bible Babel, p. 82).
     
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    Here are some more N. T. examples:

    Matt. 1:18 betrothed (Geneva, NKJV) espoused (KJV)
    Matt. 9:2 sins are forgiven (Geneva, NKJV) sins be forgiven (KJV)
    Matt. 15:26 good (Geneva, NKJV) meet (KJV)
    Matt. 22:31 concerning (Geneva, NKJV) touching (KJV)
    Matt. 23:27 tombs (Geneva, NKJV) sepulchres (KJV)
    Mark 3:10 to touch him (Geneva) for to touch him (KJV) to touch Him (NKJV)
    Mark 7:27 good (Geneva, NKJV) meet (KJV)
    Mark 13:22 deceive (Geneva, NKJV) seduce (KJV)
    Luke 15:25 near (Geneva, NKJV) nigh (KJV)
    Luke 18:35 near (Geneva, NKJV) nigh (KJV)
    Luke 23:5 Judea (Geneva, NKJV) Jewry (KJV)
    Luke 23:19 insurrection (Geneva, NKJV) sedition (KJV)
    John 4:49 before (Geneva, NKJV) ere (KJV)
    John 6:4 near (Geneva, NKJV) nigh (KJV)
    John 7:1 Judea (Geneva, NKJV) Jewry (KJV)
    Acts 2:8 language (Geneva, NKJV) tongue (KJV)
    Acts 3:17 I know (Geneva, NKJV) I wot (KJV)
    Acts 7:11 famine (Geneva, NKJV) dearth (KJV)
    Acts 11:28 famine (Geneva, NKJV) dearth (KJV)
    Acts 22:6 near (Geneva, NKJV) nigh (KJV)
    Rom. 10:8 near (Geneva, NKJV) nigh (KJV)
    Rom. 13:2 judgment (Geneva, NKJV) damnation (KJV)
    Rom. 14:23 condemned (Geneva, NKJV) damned (KJV)
    1 Cor. 7:32 care (Geneva, NKJV) carefulness (KJV)
    1 Cor. 8:1 love (Geneva, NKJV) charity (KJV)
    1 Cor. 13:13 love (Geneva, NKJV) charity (KJV)
    1 Cor. 15:52 last trumpet (Geneva, NKJV) last trump (KJV)
    Eph. 2:17 near (Geneva, NKJV) nigh (KJV)
    Col. 3:14 love (Geneva, NKJV) charity (KJV)
    2 Thess. 1:3 love (Geneva, NKJV) charity (KJV)
    Titus 2:2 love (Geneva, NKJV) charity (KJV)
    Heb. 6:8 near (Geneva, NKJV) nigh (KJV)
    2 Peter 1:7 love (Geneva, NKJV) charity (KJV)
    1 John 2:26 deceive you (Geneva, NKJV) seduce (KJV)
    Rev. 2:19 love (Geneva, NKJV) charity (KJV)
     
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    Well here,the Tyndale New Testament agrees with the Geneva/NKJ 16 times out of 35.

    The references in agreement are :

    Matt.1:18;15:26;23:27
    mark 3:10;13:22
    Luke 23:19
    1 Cor. 7:32;8:1;13:13;15:52
    Col. 3:14
    2 Thess. 1:3
    Titus 2:2
    2 Pe. 1:7
    1 Jn. 2:26
    Rev. 2:19
     
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    Logos,in your examples from the Old Testament I think William Tyndale only finished Gen.-- Deut. plus the book of Jonah.

    In Genesis 1:28; 28:11 and 37:22 were the same as Geneva/NKJ.(Well,the Tyndale put the past tense form of the word.)

    In Exodus 9:31.

    Deut. 14:15.

    So,out of your 17 citations, the William Tyndale Translation had just 5 in common with the Geneva/NJK.
     
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    Yes, only his Pentateuch and Jonah were published during his lifetime. But remember that it seems that Tyndale did translate more Old Testament books (and this work was entrusted to John Rogers). His translations of the OT through Chronicles would appear posthumously in the Matthew's Bible (and other EETs).
     
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    Yes, there is strong evidence that indicates that the O. T. books Joshua through 2 Chronicles in the 1537 Matthew's Bible were the work of William Tyndale.
     
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    Here are some more O. T. examples

    Gen. 9:13 sign (Geneva, NKJV) token (KJV)
    Gen. 22:1 God did prove (Geneva) God did tempt (KJV) God tested (NKJV)
    Gen. 41:42 garments (Geneva, NKJV) vestments (KJV)
    Exod. 16:18 did measure (Geneva) did mete (KJV) measured (NKJV)
    Exod. 22:26 before the sun go down (Geneva) by that the sun goeth down (KJV) before the sun goes down (NKJV)
    Lev. 23:40 fruit (Geneva, NKJV) boughs (KJV)
    Num. 31:20 garment (Geneva, NKJV) raiment (KJV)
    Num. 33:9 seventy (Geneva, NKJV) threescore and ten (KJV)
    Deut. 10:22 seventy (Geneva, NKJV) threescore and ten (KJV)
    Deut. 22:2 near (Geneva, NKJV) nigh (KJV)
    Deut. 22:30 uncover (Geneva, NKJV) discover (KJV)
    Deut. 28:67 were evening (Geneva, NKJV) were even (KJV)
    Jud. 1:7 Seventy (Geneva, NKJV) Threescore and ten (KJV)
    Jud. 12:14 seventy (Geneva, NKJV) threescore and ten (KJV)
    1 Kings 5:15 seventy (Geneva, NKJV) threescore and ten (KJV)
    2 Kings 4:38 famine (Geneva, NKJV) dearth (KJV)
    2 Kings 4:43 servant (Geneva, NKJV) servitor (KJV)
    1 Chron. 21:5 seventy (Geneva, NKJV) threescore and ten (KJV)
    2 Chron. 6:28 famine (Geneva, NKJV) dearth (KJV)
    2 Chron. 9:24 armour (Geneva) harness (KJV) armor (NKJV)
    2 Chron. 29:32 seventy (Geneva, NKJV) threescore and ten (KJV)
    2 Chron. 36:17 virgin (Geneva, NKJV) maiden (KJV)
    Neh. 5:3 famine (Geneva, NKJV) dearth (KJV)
    Esther 2:2 beautiful young (Geneva, NKJV) fair young (KJV)
    Esther 9:20 near and far (Geneva, NKJV) nigh and far (KJV)
    Job 31:11 wickedness (Geneva, NKJV) heinous crime (KJV)
    Ps. 40:7 roll (Geneva) volume (KJV) scroll (NKJV)
    Ps. 60:6 measure (Geneva, NKJV) mete (KJV)
    Ps. 108:7 measure (Geneva, NKJV) mete (KJV)
    Isa. 7:25 sheep (Geneva, NKJV) lesser cattle (KJV)
    Isa. 13:21 ostriches (Geneva, NKJV) owls (KJV)
    Isa. 19:10 heavy in heart (Geneva) ponds for fish (KJV) troubled of soul (NKJV)
    Isa. 34:6 Edom (Geneva, NKJV) Idumea (KJV)
    Isa. 63:2 winepress (Geneva, NKJV) winefat (KJV)
    Jer. 5:6 wilderness (Geneva) evenings (KJV) deserts (NKJV)
    Jer. 15:12 brass (Geneva) steel (KJV) bronze (NKJV)
     
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    Here are five more examples:

    Josh. 11:16
    low country (Geneva) valley (KJV) lowland (NKJV)

    2 Chron. 2:9
    great and wonderful (Geneva, NKJV) wonderful great (KJV)

    Isa. 1:13
    I cannot suffer (Geneva) I cannot away with (KJV) I cannot endure (NKJV)

    Isa. 15:2
    to the temple (Geneva, NKJV) to Bajith (KJV)

    Jer. 10:16
    maker (Geneva) former (KJV) Maker (NKJV)
     
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    In another thread, stilllearning posted: "But in the same breath, I said that there were many other great Bibles of that time:
    (William Tyndale's Bible), (Miles Coverdale's Bible), (John Wycliffe’s Bible), (The Bishop's Bible), (The Geneva Bible) etc.
    So in the strictest since [sense], I am not really KJVO."

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


    Since you consider the 1560 Geneva Bible to be a "great Bible," does the evidence of the affinity between the 1560 Geneva Bible and the 1982 NKJV suggest that you should consider the NKJV a "great Bible" also?
     
    #13 Logos1560, Feb 10, 2009
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    The evidence should convince a reasonable-minded person who no longer will remain inconsistent in his claims.
     
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