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I thought we were all sinners.

 

Um, what type of thing? They are participating in a family egg-roll with their children.

It's Easter - many people dress up for Easter. It seems more likely to me that a kid would ask why so many people are not wearing flowers. How difficult is it to explain without going into any kind of inappropriate detail that some families are different?

As Marcia pointed out, it is not protest, it is a participation.

They are showing up at a gathering of children with - gasp! - their children. Wearing a lei or not is significant only those who are aware of the significance.

And how do you know they were not unless they announced it or unless you peeked in the bedroom window?

Wow, I wouldn't think that wearing a lei would be considered so outrageously scandalous that young eyes would need to be shielded. It isn't a protest, it's an acknowledgement. If you don't know that seemingly normal people are gay, then it is easy to claim, as many do, that you've never seen a gay person who acted normal.

 

Of course what a baptist couple do after church in the privacy of their own home is their business but the past ..ah yes the past where from the pulpit and marriage counseling would try to define what they could do and could not do
some might think they are gay acts they are doing ..others might think it is two people in love defining their own personal style and being sensitive to each others need...my point is this . You do not hear from the pulpit on sex or in the culture the cans and cannots much anymore.
but yet the gays get the enth degree and have their privacy invaded by stating they do despicable acts...when if a study was done by a major sexual think tank these same baptist couples are doing a few things that mirror gay
relationships.


Marcia I do not think you are a homophobic at all.

"Hybrid." had no motive on my part to be hateful but to point out that gay people are born the
way that they are and they live an angst filled
live if they live in denial but if they step out on faith and find support they can find acceptance and healing for their angst.

Is it a practice? or are they naturally attracted to the same because they were born the way they are and seek out others like minded and hard wired genetically.

Time is tocking and each day this issue the scales are bending and towards a resolution in favor or accepting these people as born the way they are. And I think major voices will come from mothers of gays born to them as with the twins featured on network TV.


Have to admit this site is being as fair as it can be ..of course it is biased but I do see some hard effort to push back and give the counter view.

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Interesting to hear the banter on this blog from twins.(and you do hear both sides)
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Science and research and independent studies are the heavyweights that will change a lot of views
and just plain common sense. Christendom will pivot to minister to all.

So back to topic...if gays are deeply convicted to fight for their civil rights in a peaceful way and yet do controvesrial things that may offend some...so be it. It is because they know that deep inside they are different and want the same civil rights as all Americans...of course private religion can discriminate it is their right but it is also the right for churches to allow these chains to fall off and allow gays into their congregations.

All this will pass and maybe very soon ..just like the slavery mistake...just like the interacial marriage/dating mistake.

Then concetrate on really important things such as "good news" taking up for the poor and down trodden.

 

Do not get angry Marcia it really is your own private interpretation of the bible you are standing on...as with interacial relationships and slavery many people stood on their private interpretations of the word for a long time and people were bound from love and from freedom because of it...like I said this will all fall off of Christiandom one day and it will pivot and pass the test of love.

 

Aslanspal,

Apples and oranges. Homosexuality is condemned in both the OT and NT bodies of scripture. Interracial relationships is unaddressed; slavery was an accepted cultural norm. You can't compare the two.

And in my book, the "test of love" is that we care too much for the fate of homosexuals to allow them to continue to live in sin without sharing the Good News with them...the old adage "we love them too much to leave them that way."

You speak of being "bound from love and freedom." I don't agree with your interpretation of "love" here...I think that love necessitates a loving response to their sin. But I don't understand the "freedom" thing. Does "freedom" mean the freedom to engage in homosexual behavior with God's blessing? I'm not trying to incite an arguement, but I don't know what you're trying to say...

And like I said earlier...since you and I are making different a priori assumptions on this issue of homosexuality (you say genetic, I say choice, and I feel scripture bears me out), we're going to have a difficult time finding common ground. We're building on two different foundational thoughts.

 

I don't think they are born that way, but even if they are, it doesn't matter. We are all born sinners, it is our natural inclination to sin. Does that mean all sin is ok because we are born that way? Who are we to fight our spiritual "genetics" for sinning? But judging from other posts, I guess you don't think homosexuality is a sin? But if it's not a sin, then why does it matter if it is by nature or nurture?

In other words...

If it is not a sin, then how one comes to be homosexual does not matter. Stating that it is genetic implies one is seeking justification for an act already deemed acceptable. It suggests feelings of guilt. But if it is acceptable behavior, then no justification is needed.

If you say it is a sin, then no matter the reason for the cause, you cannot justify sin. Can the murderer or the rapist claim they were born that way and thereby negate the fact they committed a heinous sin?

Romans 6
12Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts,

13and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.

14For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

15What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be!

16Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?

17But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed,

18and having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.

 

Where can I buy it?

 

Not seeking justification at all ..just seeing the procession of time take affect. And that means science,research and especially twins pointing to a major sign saying this very small
minority are born the way they are and need understanding not be insulted by others saying they are not born that way...when from their own mouths they say they are!

Did someone actually read the letters and banter from the twin site. Here it is again...real people ..real twins...both sides given.


http://forums.twinstore.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/96860409/m/51110463021

 

Marcia,

you just brought something to my mind.

When my grandfather(an alcoholic) died, the doctors told my mother that his grandchildren were very susceptable to alcoholism as well. It is a disease, just like Apal says homosexuality is.

That said, even if I have a gene or disease making me more susceptable to alcoholism, that does not give me an excuse to engage in heavy drinking. I could be kicked out of the church for that, as I should be if it were true.

The same is the case for homosexuality. Both are sin and should be dealt with as such, whether inbred within us or not. We are subject to sinful desires, but we choose whether or not to engage in sinful acts.

 

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