Very sad commentary on the church today

And without knowing what sin is, and where/how it originated, and how it impacts us, "--they don't what they need saving from" - NOR WHY.

It's truly amazing the problems that result from deciding that "God didn't really say ---"!!:BangHead::BangHead::BangHead::BangHead:

 

Do you happen to know whether or not they took out Social Security?

Another thread about who should and should not be paid in a church would probably be a good idea.

Hell is not preached near as much as it used to be. It comes up in sermons as Jim said. One of the best sermons I ever heard on hell was talking to 99% of the Christians who never witness or go on visitation. The speaker said if our souls could be transported to the full fury of hell for just one minute, when we got back, we would be running, not walking to tell people about Jesus.

 

No sir, just part of the truth movement.

This thread is not about me but expressed reasons why the "church" doesn't preach on hell anymore.
I simply stated that ONE of the reasons why is money and I'll stick to that.

You cited 1 Tim 5:17 as support for why pastors should be paid and I cited that the same verse includes Sunday School teachers.
[ The word is ELDERS- plural]


Paul warns the young Timothy of this very thing [money] causing people to stray from the faith.
[ 1 Tim 6:10 ]

One of your previous statements is dead on that ALL ministers of the gospel should be trusting Jesus for their provisions and not man.
Unfortunately many times this does not happen in the pulpit and the roadsides are full of casualties of these actions.

Because of Paul's warning in 1 TIM 6 :10 it is still my view that many [not all] professional pastors have an EXTRA TEMPTATION of maintaining the contributions and will not preach on "difficult" topics of hell and judgement risking the loss of contributions.

If you are a professional pastor I wish God's very best blessings for you and your ministry.

 

Full time pastors are called by the Lord. It is a responsibility that weighs on their shoulders at times and very seldom do they complain. They listen to everyone else's problems with very little thanks. Absent some Biblical reason, the deacons and congregation should be holding the pastor and his family up to the Lord for stength and wisdom to guide his flock. Pastors are way underpaid for the job they have. My hat is off to them. God bless all of them.

For the two on this thread that belittle the work of pastors and the local church, both of you ought to hang your heads in shame.

 

People should come to god out of love, not out of terrorist threats. Also, hell could well be a metaphor, not a literal torture chamber.

 

Yes, it could be but it isn't. And why am I not surprised by your comment.

 

Maybe because you take a literalist, fundamentalist viewpoint and I don't.

 

Are you a Baptist Magnet Poles??? Your views are so unbiblical ....yes I said VIEWS!!

 

Terrorist threats ?

I have now heard everything.

 

In view of this topic, when people are taught that they either will go to heaven or hell, according to which ever they choose, you are robbing GOD of his glory. It goes like this. GOD is voting for you, Satan is voting for you and you are stronger than either because you have the decisive vote. To much imphesis are put on Man and not GOD. The Scriptures are for the born again man, not for the un-elect. They are happy where they are and the Scriptures means nothing to them. It gives them nothing and it takes away nothing. GOD is the Judge and he gives life to whosoever he will. Read again over and over and over about Jacob and Esau. If you still don't get it, read it over and over and over and over and over until it sinks in. There lies the answer. GOD choses, not Man.

 

So we should have said we don't preach the gospel well enough for the non elect to reject it. That better?:wavey:

 

The above is how you separate each group shown here.

 

MP,
Yes, I do take it literally... If that's a fault (and I am certain that it is not) then I am certain that God will make that clear. But I trust Jesus' views rather than yours. If that makes me a fundamentalist, then I would proudly wear that label.

 

Jesus himself preached repentance or eternal damnation is hell. And he was pretty clear that torment would be the order of the day, there. I guess that makes him a terrorist ?

I would like some explanation of this "come to God out of love" statement, as well. I don't know what that means.

 

Some posting on this thread will one day find out just how real hell is.

 

"Judge not that ye be not judged" ... good advice from scripture.