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Read it all DHK and it sure sounds like urban legend to me. It's ficticious but it makes fun reading.

 

Oh, I don't know; if DHK wants to be the next Dan Brown, he's making a good start.

 

Catholicisim is the mother of the charasmatic movement. Unity, Unity, Unity. She welcomes all protestants and other religions into her fold. Her aim I believe is to bring us into a one world religion that can then be handed over to a one world government to be controlled. Once this religion has served this purpose it will be discarded.(Short version)

 

Do you guys want fries with your Kool-Aid?

 

oh dear me....where is my lye soap,,,,,IF there was ever world unity with the RCC accepting nations dedicating themselves to the Lord God, the world would be under the dominion of the Social Kingship of Jesus Christ...the religion of Jesus Christ will never be discarded even to the Second Coming...:godisgood:

 

There will be a one world church Briony. And no doubt the RCC will be the nucleus, with the pope at the head. If you read almost any Protestant commentary of the 19th century or earlier: Presbyterian, Baptist or otherwise, you will find that they will all agree with this one point,
that:

Revelation 17:4-6 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

refers to the RCC.
Many still do to this day. It is a very common view. And it is descriptive of a one world church that is to come. It is also descriptive of the RCC in the past.

 

The conservative Catholics I've come across are not all about "unity"~~there are strict lines that won't be crossed. If they really were such a nefarious organization they'd be better off embracing a more liberal agenda like the American Episcopals..I don't even see the Catholic church ever uniting with the Eastern Orthodox because of their differences, which may seem petty to us baptist types, but are huge between them.

 

I took a class which covered some of the 'proofs' that Dave Hunt gives in his book 'A Woman Rides the Beast' and here are some of the rebuffs:

In Hunt's book, he notes that the Whore will be a city "known as Babylon." This is based on Revelation 17:5, which says that her name is "Babylon the Great."

That phrase "Babylon the great" come up five times in Revelation (14:8, 16:19, 17:5, 18:2, and 18:21). You get the drift of its meaning when you notice that Babylon is referred to as "the great city" seven times in the book (16:19, 17:18, 18:10, 16, 18, 19, 21). Other that there is only one reference to "the great city." That passage is 11:8, which says that the bodies of God’s two witnesses "will lie in the street of the great city, which is allegorically called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified."

"The great city" is symbolically called Sodom, a reference to Jerusalem, symbolically called "Sodom" in the Old Testament (cf. Is. 1:10; Ezek. 16:1–3, 46–56). We also know Jerusalem is the "the great city" of Revelation 11:8 because the verse says it was "where Jesus was crucified."

It is my understanding that Revelation speaks as if there were only one "great city", which would suggest that the great city of 11:8 is the same as the great city mentioned in the other seven texts—Babylon. Additional evidence for the identity of the two is the fact that both are symbolically named after great Old Testament enemies of the faith: Sodom, Egypt, and Babylon.

I would say this seems to suggest that Babylon the great may be Jerusalem, not Rome.

Then Hunt says, "The woman is called a ‘whore’ in verse 1, with whom earthly kings ‘have committed fornication’ (verse 2). Against only two cities could such a charge be made: Jerusalem and Rome."

Then he goes on to admit that the prophets often referred to Jerusalem as a spiritual whore, which suggest that the Whore might be apostate Jerusalem. Ancient, pagan Rome also fits the description, since through the cult of emperor worship it also committed spiritual fornication with "the kings of the earth", the conquered nations.

Then in order to identify the Whore as Vatican City, he then interprets the fornication as "unholy alliances" forged between Vatican City and other nations, but then he doesn't give any reasons why the Vatican’s diplomatic relations with other nations are "unholy."

He seems to confuse Vatican City with the city of Rome, and he forgets that pagan Rome had "unholy alliances" with the kingdoms it governed (unholy because they were built on paganism and emperor worship).

Hunt goes on stating "She, being the Whore is clothed in ‘purple and scarlet’ (verse 4), the colors of the Catholic clergy." He then quotes the Catholic Encyclopedia to show that bishops wear certain purple vestments and cardinals wear certain red vestments. He ignores the obvious symbolic meaning of these colors being purple for royalty and red for the blood of the martyrs.

Also, Catholic clergy wear other colored vestments as well and the predominant color is white. Priest wear white, the pope wears white, bishops and cardinals when they say mass wear white.

He also talks about the great wealth and regardless of what the Vatican once had, the Vatican of our day has been running a budget deficit for the past few year.

Pagan Rome and apostate Jerusalem do fit the description of a city drunk with the blood of saints and the martyrs of Jesus. And since they were big time persecutors of Christians, the original audience would have automatically thought of one of these two as the city that persecutes Christians, not an undreamed-of Christian Rome that was centuries in the future.

 

...ah the wealth of the RCC. It s wealthy because of the generosity of its congregations. Another thing....remember those who have become nuns,priests,brothers....do not draw a wage, something I think is often forgotten.The Pope is in all probability quite a poor man.

The colour of the priestly vestments changes with the liturgical calender....we are in Advent a time of fast and penance in preparation for the Feast of Christmas. Advent and Lent are coloured purple to represent suffering (?why I don't know) white for things like Christmas,Green for the sundays after Pentecost, red is for the martyrs,black for death, and sometimes depending on the parish there are two Sundays where Rose coloured vestments are worn (today being Gaudete Sunday) and once in Lent as a lessening of the penetental aspects of these seasons.

 

For as much attention as Hunt gave in his book to Catholic clergy being 'arrayed in scarlet and purple' it is amusing for us who know that our clergy always wear white albs as their primary vestment at mass. It is only during Advent and Lent that a purple chausable is worn over the alb.

 

. . . . and as far as the chausable goes, the primary color worn would be green since that is the longest period of the liturgical year.

 

I am impressed. an entire class which would be dedicated to refuting Hunt's Book, "A Woman Rides the Beast," when there are dozens books put out by various current others and many, many by 19th century commentaries who all believed the same thing. It certainly isn't new with Dave Hunt. Rather Dave Hunt is new. These interpretations of Scriptures have been around for a long, long time.

Here is Albert Barnes (1798-1870)

 

Hunt is not the only ones with such ideas.

 

Actually, the class was not to de-bunk Hunt's book but we did cover some of the more recent anti-Catholic publications.

But:

'The inner colour of the cloak of the pope is scarlet; his carriage is scarlet; the carpet on which he treads is scarlet. A large part of the dress of the body-guard of the pope is scarlet; and no one can take up a picture of Rome without seeing that this colour is predominant.'

The lining on a garment he wears is scarlet??? Even if that were true, I don't think it is true of the present pope or John-Paul II. This is really reaching for something not there. It is absurd.

 

I can bring up plenty of vestments of other colors as well he also wears. He wears green, purple, red, white . . . . but you hone in on one color.

BTW, what color is the alb that he always wears?

 

My guess is white...since the only word I know containing "alb" is "albino."

But then again...I got a C plus in Popeology. (or is it popeology? Popiatry? Popiatrics? Popitarianism? Popapailianism? Pope on a rope?)

 

How about this:

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/05/14/Pope-Benedict-celebrates-mass-in-Nazareth/UPI-23771242305178/

Any problem with these vestments?

 

What is the color that he wears the most while he sits on his "throne" in the Vatican? When he entertains foreign dignitaries?

These old commentators knew what they were talking about. Some of them came out of Catholicism like the Reformers. Read Adam Clarke, Matthew Henry, and others of that century. And they all with one accord agree with Dave Hunt. Were they prophets? Or is Dave Hunt simply expounding the Scriptures as he sees it, and in agreement with what has been taught throughout the ages?