Historical Objectivity of Rome

I did not take back one iota or one tittle of what I said concerning the false doctrine "mother of God." I never mentioned the Greek term or its explanation by Rome. You are the one that did. I merely pointed out "Mary mother of God" is theological heresy any way you want to explain the Greek term or the Roman application. It is heresy and the absolute proof is the WORSHIP of Mary given to her AS GOD, as a Redemptrix, as OMNISCIENT. So don't kid yourself into thinking I was being "coy" or that I take back a single syllable in the charge I made. Not on your life!

You are a deceiver and it is clear as crystal to anyone who has eyes in their head. You make the hypocritical claim to be a "Baptist" and yet embrace the very doctrines that Baptist have repudiated for centuries. Find me any Baptist Confession of faith that embraces regeneration in baptism but that is exactly what the vast majority of so-called "church fathers" embraced in the Ante-Nicene Fathers.

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT IN BAPTISM ONE IS REGENERATED??????? If so, you are not a Baptists but a deceiver and hypocrit.

If you will read what I said, I never charged you with any of those things you claim. What I did was qualify the charge by saying "IF" a person claims to be born again, and knows the history and doctrine of Rome but defends the Mother of filth by her own explanations to be a "true" church then it is because the defenders are the children of filth. If it fits wear it and if it doesn't fit then you have nothing to be offended about.

 

He is completely ignorant of history as he knows only the PERVERTED Roman revisionist view of history.

I have asked him more than once IF he has ever investigated his sources to see if they merely assume Rome's materials. No response

I have asked him more than once has he ever critically investigated Rome's source materials critically? No response.

He is very knowledgable of what Rome has spoon fed him. He is very knowledgable about historians who assume the Roman views as credible.

However, NO BAPTIST CONFESSION OF FAITH in existence uses Mark 16:16 or Acts 2:38 in their defense of baptism as the act wherein regeneration occurs because EVERY BAPTIST CONFESSION OF FAITH repudiates that as heresy. He claims to be a "Baptist" but that is the POLAR OPPOSITE of the essence of being a Baptist doctrinally and historically.

No "Baptist" with an ounce of common sense that has a working knowledge of the Ante-Nicene Church Father's would embrace them as faithful to the gospel of Jesus Christ as the VAST MAJORITY believed not merely that in baptism regeneration occurred but in water regeneration.

No "Baptist" with a working knowledge of the period of Rome's history and doctrine between Constantine to the present would claim it is a "true" church of Christ as EVERY DOCTRINAL ESSENTIAL to be a "true" church is repudiated by their doctrine and history.

No "Baptist" who is knowledgable of Papal claims and Papal practices would ever deny that is the office of "A" antichrist and "A" false prophet. Only someone brain dead or a deceiver would defend the Papal office here.

 

Mary "the Mother of God" Deceit

Rome plays a game of deception with the epitaph "Mary the Mother of God." They argue that "God" or "theotokos" has reference only to the person of Christ and not the person of Mary. To the simple minded they have won the argument but only to the "simple" minded.

The Scriptures NEVER attribute this to Mary in any way shape or form and for good reason. She is the "mother" of Jesus, the human being but in no sense can the term "mother" be ascribed to Mary in relationship to Jesus as God. Rome attributes to Mary the epitaph "mother of God."

However, their definition game with the word "theotokos" is just that, a game. They attribute to Mary NON-HUMAN characteristics found only in God. She is considered to be born SINLESS and an ETERNAL virgin. Her body is incorruptible and she ascends to heaven. She is the divine REDEMPTRIX and MEDIATOR between God and man. She is OMNISICIENT in that she is capable of hearing millions of prayers and answering them. She is WORSHIPPED and PRAYED unto.

The so-called "church fathers" (heretics) ascribed to her the very characteristics the Father ascribed to His Son and give you a bird's eye view of their view of Mary:

"As the all-holy glorious mother of God and ever-virgin Mary........And again she prayed, and said: O Lord Jesus Christ.....in every time and place where there is mention of my name, make that place holy, and glorify those that glorify thee through my name, accepting of such persons all their offering, and all their supplications, and all their prayer......We apostles, threfore, having beheld the sudden precious translation of her holy body, glorified God, who had shown us His wonders at the departure of the mother of our Lord Jesus Christ, whose prayers and good offices may we all be deemed worthy to receive, under her shelter, and support, and protection, both in the world that now is and in that which is to come...." St. John the Theologion, The Ante-Nicene Church Fathers, Vol. VIII, pp. 587, 588, 591, "The Falling Asleep of Mary"

 

Mary the Mother of the Church

"'The Virgin Mary....is acknowledged and honored as being truly the Mother of God and of the redeemer...She is 'clearly the mother of the members of Christ'....since she has by her charity joined in bringing about the birth of believers in the Church, who are members of its head.' 'Mary, Mother of Christ, Mother of the Church." - Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition, p. 251

Note the langauge! New birth is acheived through Mary's "charity" and made members of Christ, who are members of its head.

What about you gentleman? Were you birthed by Mary's charity and made members of His body? She is called not only the "Mother of God" but in addition "Mother...of the Redeemer.....Mother of the church" in the sense of new birth.

The catechism goes on to demand that Mary is inseparable from "spiritual union" with the Son in the work of redemption:

"Mary's role in the Church is inseparable from he union with Christ and flows directly from it. 'This union of Mother with the Son in the work of salvation is mande manifest from teh time of Christ's virginal concpetion up to his death.....Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved from from all sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things...." Ibid., pp. 251,252

Most of this is being directly quoted from the so-called early church father's.

Friends, you have to be brain dead to see this languague is not ascribing to Mary all the qualities of God that are ascribed to the Son of God. She is the QUEEN of heaven over all things.

Any "Baptist" that can defend this inseperable Maryoltry doctrine from salvation doctrine of the Roman Catholic is simply not a genuine Christian.

THIS IS THE GOSPEL OF ROMAN CATHOLCISM FROM THE TIME OF THE SO-CALLED CHURCH FATHERS.- A FALSE GOSPEL EQUALS A FALSE CHURCH.

 

Sacrament - By Rome's definition

"SACRAMENT: An efficasious sign of grace, instituted by Christ and entrusted to the Church, by which divine life is dispensed to us through the work of the Holy Spirit (774, 1131). The sacraments (called 'mysteries' in the Eastern Churches) are seven in number...." - Catechism for the Catholic Church, 2nd edition


IF this represents your view of salvation it is because you are not a child of God because this clearly teaches that "divine life" comes through sacraments. However, the Scriptures teach that divine life is inseparable from justification by faith in the gospel of Christ BEFORE administration of baptism and other ordinances (Heb. 4:9-12; I Pet. 3:21)

 

Let me help you out Billy.

1. Mary is a creature
2. Jesus is God by non-birth but man by birth
3. Mary is only the "mother" of what she birthed - the man
4. Thus Mary is not the "mother OF GOD"

 

Billy, do you attribute your salvation by Christ through Mary as your co-redemptrix?

 

Billy, do you pray to Mary as your "QUEEN OF HEAVEN" who reigns over all things now and in the future?

 

Mary given the Titles of the Holy Spirit and Christ

"Therefore, the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles, Advocate, Helper, Benfactress, and Mediatrix"- Catechism of the Catholic Church, 2nd Edition, p. 252

All of these titles are attributed to God the Holy Spirit and God the Son in the Scriptures but NONE of these titles are attributed to any creature in the Scriptures. However, Rome has elevated her to "Queen of Heaven" and Mother of God" the object of worship and prayer.