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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Skandelon, Jan 28, 2011.

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  1. psalms109:31

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  2. jbh28

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    Yes, God has chosen you in Christ. I just said that. But you individually have been chosen.
     
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    Wow, you say that with such conviction!

    In the long history of Christianity, there was what some Baptists claim as landmark, there is Catholicism (with all it iterations), there is Reformation with all its iterations & then there is this "Free Will" Belief (of course that has iterations IE Libertarian Free Will & Arminisiam -with its doctrines). Forgive me if Ive missed anyone but Quantum, where do you think you fall?
     
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    I am not worthy no one is, you was chosen in Christ never was anyone apart from Him. Apart from Him you are nothing, you can never be anything until you are in Him. You was chosen in Christ, the whole body is chosen anyone that is not in Him will face condemnation.

    I trust in Jesus can never be anything without Him.
     
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    Yep. Which is why I believe in unconditional election. My election was because of him, not something seen in me.
     
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  6. Skandelon

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    I agree with the guy who said, "the intellectual appeal of the system of Calvinism draws a certain kind of intellectual person, and that type of person doesn't tend to be the most warm, fuzzy, and tender. Therefore this type of person has a greater danger of being hostile, gruff, abrupt, insensitive or intellectualistic. I'll just confess that. It's a sad and terrible thing that that's the case. Some of this type aren't even Christians, I think. You can embrace a system of theology and not even be born again."
     
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    I second that! In fact my best friend is Reformed and we have civil banters about this all the time. We love and respect each other. That is obviously a bit more difficult to do on an online forum.
     
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    The word of Jesus puts a condition that men deny. The condition is to trust believe in Him and be saved, then you are apart of Him or continue down the path you are on by yourself to destruction.

    The veil will remain until we turn to Christ and then will it be removed, no matter how men want to twist the scriptures.
     
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    Salvation isn't unconditional. Faith is required for salvation. Don't confuse election(that took place before the foundation of the world) and your conversion which took place during your life.
     
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    Hmmm, thats funny since I believe it appeals to those attempting to put biblical principals together in a systematic theology....a people who have enough presence of mind & humility of heart to put God 1st .... to worship a most Sovereign God instead of having sinners contributing to their own salvation (believing it is God's work from beginning to end).
     
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    The salvation is in Christ and it is He that was chosen before the foundation of the world. He is the one we are saved by since He was the one chosen and when we remain in Him He will remain in us. If we disown Him He will disown us.

    People who was His was cut out for unbelief, and you think it was individual chosen to be in Christ that is not what it is saying. We were chosen in Christ plain and simple.
     
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  12. Skandelon

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    That quote is from John Piper so you can take it up with him, but it appears to me you have made his case with this post because in it you seem to imply that we (non-Cals) don't use biblical principals or systematic theology, that we don't have presence of mind or humility of heart to put God first, that we are not really worshipping a Sovereign God and that we think we save ourselves. I can't understand why Piper would think this kind of thing about some Calvinists.
     
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    I know who said it & glad he took time off ....he apparently needs the time off.

    Regarding my statement....I stand by it because it is what I believe & both have seen & experience. People of Sovereign Grace have both humility & great Joy in confessing God's sovereignty.

    Deal with it!
     
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    I agree. I know and worship with many of them. I was one of them for a decade and had the opportunity to study, worship and pray with many reformed brethren that I would consider to be very Godly and Christlike in their demeanor and tone, but I wasn't talking about them. I (and I think Piper) were talking about those who show a bit different tone when discussing doctrine.

    You know, something like...

     
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    And I kinda feel the same way about anyone who puts
    critiquingcalvinism

    on all his posts in nice bold letters. LOL! so deal with it ROFL :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    Oh, yes, that incendiary term "critique" is so rude and offensive. Really?

    It's the name of my blog, which if you visit it you will see is very cordial to everyone.

    I don't see this conversation going anywhere good, so let's call it a day. God bless you.
     
    #36 Skandelon, Jan 29, 2011
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    Wether or not you wish to accept this of not....that

    www.critiquingcalvinism.blogspot.com provokes anger. What are you told to do by Scripture to anything that makes a fellow brother slip & fall? Just a note of caution & blessings.
     
    #37 Earth Wind and Fire, Jan 29, 2011
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    Both were chosen. We were the ones that is being spoken of in Ephesians as being chosen. "Even as he chose US" Christ isn't being chosen there.
    Salvation isn't lost We were chosen in Christ, not Christ chosen in the Ephesians passage.
     
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  19. Skandelon

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    Let's address this.

    A Calvinists, who believes all things (including my being a non-Calvinist and writing a blog about that belief) are ordained/decreed by the God they love and serve is provoked to anger by a blog that cordially and respectfully critiques their system of belief?

    And you believe that this could somehow make a fellow brother slip and fall? Really? That is something God didn't decree too?

    Why caution me against something God has decreed me to do? :)
     
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    As in believers his audience he was talking to in Christ already believers. I will not put myself in the position you have placed yourself. I was chosen before the foundation because He was. I am in Him because I believed in Him. He said He will save believers. Outside of Christ I was not chosen
     
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