Can we discuss Kenosis?

Goinheix,

I think you have taken a good point of discussion regarding how Christ "emptied" himself to become "fully man" to such an extreme that you have stepped over the line into clearly false doctrine. (most assuredly not Baptist doctrine)

As jbh and others have explained Jesus was "in very nature God," and while you appear to support that by saying "Jesus was God," you go on to argue that in the incarnation he left ALL divine characteristics except that which would be granted to any "man of God," (such as a Prophet or apostle). While a biblical case could be made for this aspect of your view, I believe you step into grave error when you begin to bring into question the "nature" of Jesus. While his divine characteristics (such as omnipresence or omniscience) may have been "emptied" through the incarnation that doesn't mean He has "no divine qualities" or doesn't remains fully divine, which is what you appear to be arguing.

Maybe your choice of terminology was poorly chosen and you can clarify your intent regarding the nature of Christ?

 

Maybe here's some Scripture for you to think about.
John 19:28 - Affter this, Jesus, knowing that all things had already been accomplished, to fulfill the Scripture, *said, “I am thirsty.”

Matthew 9:4 And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, “Why are you thinking evil in your hearts?

Jesus knew their thoughts. This is an attribute of God.

Mark 2:28 - So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.

Being Lord is an obvious attribute of God.

These are just a few where Jesus showed the attributes of God while on earth yet you said:

 

You lack in your understanding of Scripture.
Here in post #26 you say:

If Jesus is God, God has all divine attributes. That is who God is--one who has all divine attributes. He lacks nothing.

God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; (Acts 17:24-25)

Here Paul clearly said that God has need of nothing. He doesn't lack anything. He is Lord of heaven and earth. All divine attributes belong to Him. Who is He?

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (John 1:1)
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. (John 1:3)
In him was life; and the life was the light of men. (John 1:4)
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. (John 1:14)

Christ is the Word. The Word is God. John beheld him for he lived among them. He is the Creator. In him is life. He is the light of all men.

This is Jesus; the Christ; the Son of the living God; God Himself of whom all divine attributes are His.

 

A. Christ has SELF-EXISTENT life.

John 1:4 "In Him was life"
John 14:6 "I am the Life"
Acts 3:15 "the Prince (Author) of life"

B. Christ is ETERNAL.

Isaiah 9:6 "the everlasting Father" (or "the Father of eternity")
Micah 5:2 "whose goings forth have been of old, from everlasting"
Compare John 8:35; John 8:58; 1 John 1:2; 1 John 5:11.

C. Christ is UNCHANGEABLE.

Hebrews 1:10-12 "but thou art the same"
Hebrews 13:8 "Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, and today and forever"

D. Christ is OMNIPRESENT.

See Matthew 28:20

E. Christ is OMNISCIENT.

See John 2:24-25 (compare Jeremiah 17:9-10);
John 6:64; 16:30; Colossians 2:3.
Examples:
Matthew 17:24-27
Luke 5:22
John 1:48
John 4:16-19
John 21:6

F. Christ is OMNIPOTENT.

See John 5:19
Philippians 3:20-21
Revelation 1:8 with Revelation 22:12-13 for identification.
Examples: Luke 4:39; Matthew 8:26-27; Mark 5:12-13; Luke 7:14-15; John 2:19-22

G. Christ is PERFECT.

(the term "perfect" as used in Scripture generally means "complete, nothing lacking")
See Colossians 1:19
Colossians 2:9-10

H. Christ is INFINITE.

See John 10:28
Ephesians 3:8
Colossians 2:3

I. Christ is INCOMPREHENSIBLE.

See Matthew 11:27
Ephesians 3:8
Ephesians 3:19

J. Christ is HOLY.

See Luke 1:35
Acts 3:14

K. Christ is TRUE.

See John 14:6
Revelation 3:7

L. Christ is LOVE.

See John 13:1
Romans 8:35-39
Ephesians 3:19
1 John 3:16 ASV

M. Christ is RIGHTEOUS.

See 2 Timothy 4:8
1 John 2:1

N. Christ is FAITHFUL.

See Revelation 3:14
Revelation 19:11

O. Christ is MERCIFUL.

See Jude 21
James 5:11 with 5:8 for identification

CONCLUSION – ATTRIBUTES

John 16:15 – "All things that the Father hath are mine" (every attribute that belongs to the Father belongs to Christ)

John 17:6 – Jesus prayed, "I have manifested Thy Name" (the "Name" of God as used in Scripture refers to God's character, that is, all that God is. Hence Jesus is saying, "I have shown what kind of a God You are. I have put Your Character on display.")

The Bible clearly teaches that in Christ all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form (see COLOSSIANS 2:9). LINK HERE>>>

 

Your reasoning is faulty. If this proves that Jesus was not omniscient, then Genesis 3:9 proves that God is not omniscient, because he asked "Where are you?" to Adam.

You fail to understand that Rabbi's in those days asked questions not because they did not know, but because they wanted people to think about the answer. It was another method of teaching.

 

Do you think God did not know before this:

 

Goinheix,

If you happened along a major league pitcher playing in his back yard with his daughter and saw him pitch her a slow under handed soft ball would you conclude that the pitcher had no major league qualities or gifts? Of course not.

You'd know that he was choosing to limit his abilities in order for his daughter to engage with him in a game he loves. So too, because we see Christ choosing to limit his attributes while engaging man within time and space we cannot merely assume He has no divine nature or complete access to all divine attributes. Even scripture acknowledges that he could call the angles to his side, but he chooses not to. This is an important distinction.