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Featured I Am Wondering, Did Jesus Troll?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by JoReba, Feb 29, 2012.

  1. HankD

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    I Am Wondering, Did Jesus Troll?

    Not in the meaning to which we give the 21st century definition of "to troll".

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=troll

    There is an element of evil and mischief in the 21st century definition.
    Jesus was of course incapable of evil.

    Challenge, yes, He constantly challenged people's beliefs.
    Admonish, yes, that too.
    Correction, yes definitely.

    But always in love and never mischievously:

    Revelation 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.​

    Then again He was/is almighty God come in the flesh, sinless and holy.

    The apostles were especially gifted for their task of going into all the world with the gospel, inspired of the Holy Spirit to leave behind an infallible record of His life, death burial and resurrection.

    For those of us in this age; we have instruction in the manner of life in which we are to walk and obey:

    2 Timothy 2
    24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
    25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
    26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.​

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    But look at how he conversed with his own and compare that to how he did to those who were not his own. Christ was not severe, or aloof, or castigating or cryptic to his disciples. He was accomodating, forthright and, patient.

    But to the those who were not his sheep he concealed his message in riddles or antagonized them.
     
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    With this in mind:

    John 5:34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved.​

    HankD​
     
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    I love my enemies. That is why I want to help them in their weakness. May I pray for you?

    Why did you bring up the topic of Jesus destroying the Earth? Are you trying to appear to be informed, or something? Lol. Remember, You should not try to impress us any more than you would try to impress God. Does that make sense to you ... ? Yes ... ? Not sure ... ?
     
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    Deception is not the same as lying.
     
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    Was Jesus "gentle" and "patient" according to II Timothy Ch. 2 with His hometown fellow Jews in Luke 4:19-30, and with The Pharisees in Matthew Ch. 23 and Luke Ch. 11? Do you recall the words Jesus used and the messages He conveyed to them as Jews?

    Did Jesus ever say as you cited in II Timothy 2:26 The Pharisees had been "taken captive by him [Satan] at his will," or did Jesus hold The Pharisees themselves entirely responsible for their own doctrinal errors?

    Presuming to lecture us on how "We give the 21st century definition of 'to troll'," and on what "We have in this age" merely sidesteps the question of whether or not Jesus trolled. Lol. Split hairs all you want to.

    Jesus did troll, and many people accused Him of having an evil spirit simply because they were ignorant, and because His words did not "resonate" with them. Lol. Agape has nothing to do with acceding to the hypersensitive little intuitive expectations of people who need to hear comfortable and "nice" words. Sounding comfortable and "nice" in the ears of Christians is the job of paid Professional Church Talkers. Or, am I perhaps mistaken ... ?
     
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    Think again.

    Jesus called His Mother, "Woman," called Peter "Satan," castigated The Disciples for not knowing how to cast out a certain kind of demon, defended His special treatment of The Disciple He Loved, spoke cryptically to Judas, spoke harshly about hating the families of those who would follow Him, denied Martha's loving hospitality, at times ignored the needs of those who followed Him enmasse, and was in the faces of many others you would, for some reason, call "His own."

    Jesus was severe, aloof, castigating, and cryptic at times to His Disciples.
     
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    Jo, you are mistaken in that Jesus was God come in the flesh.
    He could see into the hearts and minds of other human beings.

    He always had the best interest of others in mind, whether scribes saducees, pharisees or ordinary folk.
    He was no troll in that trolls desire to mischieviously cause strife and division.

    His apostles also had special gifts of the Holy Spirit as they went out to evangelize the world and write the New Testament Gospels and Epistles.

    We have gifts as well but we also have commands as to our behavior.

    2 Timothy 2
    24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
    25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
    26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.​

    Titus 3:1 Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,
    2 To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.
    3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
    4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,​

    Here are the marks of wisdom from above:

    James 3:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.​

    Love is the crowning attribute of God as it decribes His essential being.​

    1 John 4
    7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
    8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.​

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    I wonder if he would say, "Get thee behind me Satan" if he were talking to you? :laugh: I think you would agree he would.

    You're subjecting some of the above incidents to your own skewed perspective, e.g. "Martha's loving hospitality" - You mean when Martha was preoccupied with minutiae and nagging everyone and Christ told her lovingly to be mindful of eternal things?

    And Christ ignoring the needs of those who followed him en masse - do you mean when he fed the 5000?

    Castigating the disciples for not knowing how to cast out a demon - I guess you wouldn't understand the dynamic between a football coach and his players either. Maybe you're offended by that too.

    Then again, I don't know if you're criticizing the Son of God, or justifying your demeanor in this forum by likening yourself to the Son of God.

    But let's continue:

    "Spoke harsly about the familes of those who would follow him" - This falls into the category of dismissing those who were not ready to follow him.

    I'm not going to continue with this. You're a disturbing individual.
     
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    Maybe that was over the line a little. I guess I find the topic in general somewhat disturbing and don't understand where you're coming from. To show contempt for the Body of Christ is not a good sign. It says in 1 John, if you don't love the bretheren, you're not a Christian. So, I don't know if you're a Christian at the moment or what you are.
     
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