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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Moriah, Apr 24, 2012.

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  1. DHK

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    I have given my testimony many times. I gave it again today at the request of loghimo. I have no problem with that.

    Here are some problems I see:
    1. SBG won't give his testimony because the Bible specifically says that salvation is by grace through faith. It also says "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved." IOW, over and over again the emphasis is on faith. But SBG believes faith is a work. If he were to give his testimony of "how he received Christ as Savior," it no doubt would include an act of faith. If that would be the case then he would be admitting to a works salvation, a heresy which he is accusing everyone else on the board of believing.

    2. How about you? You believe that if you live in sin you are not saved. Or perhaps you lose your salvation. I showed you already where you have sinned a number of times and told you I can find the posts to back it up? What does that mean? Does that mean you believe in a theology of "You must be born again and again and again." Where does the Bible teach that? But if you don't believe in OSAS, then that is what you must believe in, right? So if you believe you can lose your salvation how many times have you been born again, or are you sinless? Just what is your testimony?
     
  2. Moriah

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    I have asked you before because it had to do with a discussion we were in and you told me to go look it up where you had given it before. That is not cooperating with giving your testimony.
    I do not think that you are correctly relating SBM’s beliefs, but that is no surprise to me, since you say things wrong about HP and me too.
    SBM believes God saved him first and caused him to believe, which would mean he did not do the ‘work’ of believing. You and Biblicist have beliefs that amount to what SBM teaches, but you cannot see it.
    Let it be known that believing is not a work, and never is repenting and being sorry for sins. You say we cannot even be sorry for sins until after we are saved. Your beliefs are so close to SBM’s, I believe they are from the same false doctrines.
    As I said before, you are in no way qualified to call what I say as sin. You need to stop trying to judge me. You go against the Word of God when you try to judge me. It is harassment. You even go against this board’s rules, but you are such a false person that you do not even up hold man’s rules. You are a false accuser, a wrongful judge of your own making.
    I have the right to defend myself against your ugly constant attacks, and what I say about it is my defense.
    If you want to start a thread about losing salvation, and a thread about being born again, then start a thread on those things, but do not come off the wall with saying a bunch of stuff to me that I did not say.
     
  3. DHK

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    As I said, I have given my testimony many times. I gave it again today. But as usual you doubt my words. Here it is:
    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1843868&postcount=82
    I know I am right about his words. Don't you see the accusation over and over again: "That is works salvation." Don't you bother to find out what it means?
    Biblicist has Calvinistic beliefs but opposes SBG. He teaches heresy. He teaches that faith is a work. Read his posts.
    Faith is not a work, but it is essential for salvation.
    OTOH, God never requires being sorry for your sins for salvation. You can't find that in the Bible. You also don't know what it means to repent.
    You can cry your heart out, be sorry all you want, but it won't get you to heaven--only Jesus can get you to heaven. He is the one that saves, not your tears.
    Not even close. I am not even a Calvinist. This is the ignorance you have or a result of not reading the posts that each one of us post.
    According to who? You? You are not my judge. And your opinion doesn't count for much.
    Even the Ten Commandments judge you quite harshly. Thou shalt not lie. I did not write that. It is in the Word. The Bible judges you, not me.
    If you stop breaking the rules you would find things much easier on yourself. I have been reluctant thus far to edit out the things in your posts that are offensive. If you like I will start doing that so you can see the sin in your life--those offensive things that you post against others. Would that help?
    Defend yourself. But do it as a Christian, and not carnally.
    I can say whatever I want concerning what I deduce from your beliefs. They are on the board. They are public domain for everyone to read. It is our duty to contend for the faith. If you are spouting off false doctrine I would rather see it as my duty to tell the world not to pay attention to your false doctrine.
     
  4. Yeshua1

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    We are just asking you to consider the errors that you are posting, as both of you are getting to the place where you would be having "faith" false confidence in a false Gospel!
     
  5. Moriah

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    I have not erred.

    Yeshua1, tell me, how do you stay in Jesus’ love?

    The Bible says Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, and Jesus is the Savior of all men. Why do you reject that truth?

    Show me one scripture in the Bible that says what you say, that God causes us to believe after we receive the Holy Spirit.

    You cannot answer these questions with scripture. If the scriptures said what you say, then I would believe it too.

    Please, answer all questions I gave you here.
     
  6. Moriah

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    I am no baby Christian. Why would you not think that I do not know what works mean? I have made threads here talking about it.
    I ask you; please tell me even just one scripture that says not sinning is a work that we do not have to do.

    You are wrong about repenting not meaning to be sorry. Repent means to be sorry for your sins. You reject the Word of God, and you reject the English dictionary.
    To be saved, the Bible says to fear God, to humble yourself, and to be sorry for your sins. There are many scriptures that say those things; here is one of them that says ALL those things. Are you ready to repent for preaching falseness?
    Isaiah 66:2 Has not my hand made all these things, and so they came into being?” declares the LORD. “These are the ones I look on with favor: those who are humble and contrite in spirit, and who tremble at my word.
    Jesus saves those who are sorry for their sins. You speak falseness. We are definitely heard when we cry out to the Lord.
    If you cannot be sorry for you sins until after you are saved, then you are a Calvinist to some degree. Just because you deny it, it does not make it not so.
    I know it is offensive to you when the truth is spoken. I know too that you do not like it when people defend themselves.
    I can do so too.

    Now, please answer this:

    I ask you; please tell me even just one scripture that says not sinning is a work that we do not have to do.
     
  7. Yeshua1

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    I have answered them all, just curious if you would be able to do the same?
     
  8. Moriah

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    Answer them here for me. If you can answer them with scripture, I would believe what you say.

    Why do you not try?
     
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    Because that is what SBG believes. He believes that faith is a work. If you tell him you are saved by faith he will tell you that you have a works salvation, and I will tell him that his belief is heresy.
    I have no idea what you are talking about.
    No it does not, and you fail to show any Scripture that says that it does.
    I don't reject the Word of God. The OT was written in Hebrew and the NT was written in Greek. That is where I get my definitions from, not the English. I know you believe that Paul spoke Shakespearean English and used the KJV, but I don't believe that. Therefore I use a Greek NT, and dictionary. It makes better sense that way.
    Nowhere does the Bible says. You say that. "You err not knowing the Scripture."
    --Jesus said that. Do you believe him?
    That is the Lord speaking to his elect people, not to the unsaved.
    Secondly it says nothing about being sorry for ones sins.
    Thirdly it says nothing about salvation. He was speaking to the elect.
    Where did Jesus say that, and to whom was he speaking?
    I never said anything about the time of being sorry for one's sins. I said being sorry for one's sins is not necessary for salvation. I wasn't sorry for my sins when I got saved. I trust you won't question my salvation on that point or you will get an infraction for it.
    The truth is not accusing others of blasphemy and other such offensive language. That is not truth. You won't be here long if you continue to be offensive. The Bible says to speak the truth in love.
    Your question makes no sense.
     
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    HP: Pardon me while I choke. DHK, do you think for a minute that follow your own advice?

    Let me remind the reader of DHK's words to myself a while back to which he never apologized once to me for such offensive language:


     
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    If your view on the atonement is heresy; if it is indeed blasphemous, then I will call it as it is. I believe I was right in saying so.

    If I remember correctly I simply told Moriah that Jesus was in the upper room speaking to the 12. When he said: "If anyone loves me he will obey me..." The anyone referred to "any one of you" the disciples.

    He accused me of blasphemy for having a different opinion then him. There was nothing blasphemous in what I said. There was nothing heretical in what I said. It was unnecessary and that is the kind of thing that will garner infractions.
     
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    It is a sick shame what DHK is saying and doing against us.
     
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    You are a hypocrite. Just because you do not see your errors, does not mean we do not. If you can say something is blasphemy in a debate group, then so should the other members.
     
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    Is this scripture to just the Apostles, or to you too?

    1 John 2:4 The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

    Now tell us, how is this scripture different from John 14:23?
     
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    HP: You accused me of blasphemy for having a different view that yourself.

    HP: Now that is certainly a matter of opinion. We understand and see your hypocrisy perfectly DHK. On a discussion thread of differing denominations, a difference of opinion should be expected. What should not be expected or tolerated is utter hypocricy on your part.


    We need a new moderator for this forum. It is obviously beyond DHK's abilities to act in accordance to its rules or to judge fairly.
     
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    John 14:23 was written to his apostles.
    So was Acts 1:4

    Acts 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

    Did you obey the command of Jesus in Acts 1:4, Moriah?

    1John 2:4 then applies to you also doesn't it?
    Two can play this game.
     
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    Your logic is ill.

    There is no point in speaking to you.
     
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    Take us to the URL where that comment was made HP.
    I will show you where not only I but many others disagreed with your very unorthodox view of the atonement--well outside the bounds of orthodox Christianity. It is not just a simple disagreement. It is a heretical view of the atonement. That is what was under discussion.

    What is under discussion here is not a vital doctrine to our faith, but a simple understanding of one verse and the context that it was said.
     
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    Better yet, DHK, why not just take a good dose of your own medicine and live by the rules you demand of others.

    Dont be a hypocrite. Set the example for a change of a heart, a heart of the "love" you so freely speak about.:thumbs:
     
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    HP: Excellent observation and question Moriah.:thumbsup: I cannot find where Biblicist addressed your question directly. Did I miss it? He certainly needs to set the record straight.
     
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