Israel - The Land - Which Land?

LadyEagle-"Now that Replacement Theologians have applauded each other, can we move on to what the Bible says about the land?"

LE, you crack me up!

Can it just be chance that the Jews have arrived back in Israel, after surviving 2000 yrs of persecution, Just at a time most aggree is the end time? Maybe I'll win the lottery tomorrow?

 

Of course the jewish nation is signifigant. But just remember we don't know what's going to happen to it. Consider that they continue to reject God's Messiah.

 

Premillennialists who think that way are a minority among Christians.

 

While on this earth I probably have a more generous definition of "truly born again" than you use. Since I can't actually know the condition of a person's heart I give other people the benefit of the doubt.

But I do understand that many Christians have fallen for premillennial teaching...unfortunately.

 

Amen, KenH!

The "children of Israel" refers to all those chosen by God as His children. This is not the same as either the ancient nation of "Israel" or the modern nation - lands and peoples - who occupy an area similar to the ancient nation of the same name.

The followers of Christ were expecting the Lord to restore the nation of Israel much as it had been in ancient times. The Lord, however, clearly had other plans.

Paul made it clear that Gentiles had attained that which Jews had not. The "whosoever" are not limited to either Gentiles or Jews.

Paul further made it clear that Jews would be saved by the same means as Gentiles.

By these verses we know that we are no longer "aliens from the commonwealth of Israel" but have been "made nigh by the blood of Christ" and thereby are children of Israel.

Becasue of these verses we can understand that the Lord has made a new covenant - a "better" covenant - that extends beyond compliance with the law - in which we had no hope - but rests upon the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ alone and is not limited by geography, earthly governments, or tribal leaders. We can now know that God has written his law into our "hearts" and we are His "people" - the true children of Israel who will be presented blameless to the Father by the Son through His work.

Here, in Revelations, we have a vision of the angels of God sealing His children from the "four corners of the earth" and of every tribe of all "nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues". These are the children of Israel.

 

Did I really read this?

 

I agree we will be living on the New Earth but the New Jerusalem is the Church, the Bride of Jesus Christ. </font>[/QUOTE]When Jesus comes again it will all be over and the eternal state will commence immediately thereafter. There is no reason for the Lord to continue a struggle on earth - new or old - for another thousand years to attain a final victory over Satan that He already won in eternity and manifested by His resurrection over the power of death. He will come again - one more time, gather up His children, make His final judgment over all, send His children to eternal life in Heaven at His side, and banish all others to Hell for an eternal life of separation from God. No elaborate play envolving mankind on this earth is necessary for God's final act of justice.

 

Dr. Bob- "And all dispensationalists who desperately try to distinguish between the spiritual believer (jew or gentile) and the physical Israel would agree."

Dr. Bob, could you be a modern day Wycliff and put this into English for me? I apologize for my obtusness.

 

I agree we will be living on the New Earth but the New Jerusalem is the Church, the Bride of Jesus Christ. </font>[/QUOTE]When Jesus comes again it will all be over and the eternal state will commence immediately thereafter. There is no reason for the Lord to continue a struggle on earth - new or old - for another thousand years to attain a final victory over Satan that He already won in eternity and manifested by His resurrection over the power of death. He will come again - one more time, gather up His children, make His final judgment over all, send His children to eternal life in Heaven at His side, and banish all others to Hell for an eternal life of separation from God. No elaborate play envolving mankind on this earth is necessary for God's final act of justice. </font>[/QUOTE]I agree except I believe that we will spend eternity in the New Heavens and New Earth or as some believe in the heavens and earth restored to their original state. [By heaven I do not mean the current abode of God but the visible heavens.] Also agreed with your earlier post.