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Your, problem, sir, is that you have been fed a line and you do not know what you are talking about. Salvation and the prosperity gospel are two different things. I have had enough of this garbage you spout. I can't believe they allow you to post on the Baptist forum with this nonsense, no offense, but I do not know any other way to say it.

 

Amen and amen!

 

Don't say "we have been taught." That is dead wrong. You have no right to speak for any of us Baptists except yourself. Maybe you weren't taught about healing, but I was. See my grandfather's best seller on prayer (over 500,000 copies), Prayer Asking and Receiving., ch. 7 & 8. Millions of Baptists of all stripes have read his teachings on healing or heard him preach about it. But he strongly opposed the un-Biblical Charismatic teachings on healing with his book The Charismatic Movement (pp. 185-283) while standing up for the Biblical teaching. If you are truly and honestly seeking for Bible answers on healing, you really should read these books by a famous Baptist evangelist.

 

We'll just wait for you to get back to us in a few months, or years...when you come across a sickness in yourself or someone else that you can't heal, even though you have commanded the sickness out of them and they have believed in faith that it would happen...then you may re-examine your interpretation of scripture in a way that fits reality.

 

A few quotes from AWAKEN:

Contrasted with the experience of JOB:

Job 1:20 Then Job arose and tore his robe and shaved his head and fell on the ground and worshiped. 21 And he said, “Naked I came from my mother's womb, and naked shall I return. The Lord gave, and the Lord has taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord.” 22 In all this Job did not sin or charge God with wrong.

Observation #1: If Satan takes family and prosperity away from us, It is NOT A SIN to say that GOD has taken it away. (In all this Job did not sin).

Job 2:7 So Satan went out from the presence of the Lord and struck Job with loathsome sores from the sole of his foot to the crown of his head. 8 And he took a piece of broken pottery with which to scrape himself while he sat in the ashes. 9 Then his wife said to him, “Do you still hold fast your integrity? Curse God and die.” 10 But he said to her, “You speak as one of the foolish women would speak. Shall we receive good from God, and shall we not receive evil?” In all this Job did not sin with his lips.

Observation #2: If Satan strikes one of God's children with illness, It is NOT A SIN to speak of receiving that illness (which we view as evil) from God. (Job did not sin with his lips).

Observation #3: Job suffered greatly, losing his prosperity, losing his health, for a significant period of time (ie, he was denied healing for a time). His friends came along and told him he must be doing something wrong to not be prosperous and healthy...but God, rather than rebuking Job for his lack of faith, rebukes the friends for their ill-conceived advice.

I would love to hear how the Book of Job fits in to your theology of Prosperity and health, and how suffering and sickness are never God's will.

 

Most Charismatics look at the world the wrong way.

Take your time, and look at these two sites very carefully, please:

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Then I feel sorry for you. You don't want to partake of the wisdom of others, godly men who have done God's work for decades and studied the Word of God twice what you or I have. I have learned so much from the Christian books I have read, and will continue to do so. The fact that you reject all books but the Bible says to me that you are sure your interpretations are better than everyone else's, and you are sure you can't learn from anyone else. How sad.

How many times do I have to ask you, don't twist my words. Don't misrepresent me. I believe God is the healer. I believe healing is for today. I believe God heals in answer to prayer.

"It is an unspeakable tragedy, we believe, for Christians to miss the power, the joy, the answers to prayer, the manifest presence and intervention of God, that many New Testament Christians had. Where are the thousands saved like at Pentecost and following? ...Where are the miraculous healings that went with the personal ministry of the Lord Jesus and of Peter and of Paul? Yes, we believe we shouold sometimes see miraculous healings in answer to prayer" (The Charismatic Movement, by John R. Rice, p. 185).

Then tell me, why do Christians die? Of diseases? Good Christians? Christians who believe exactly like you do about healing?

 

1. All people are related through Adam.

2. God made a covenant with Adam & Eve that involved clothing them with the skin of a killed animal...he also made a covenant with Noah after the flood.

3. So you are assuming that God's goodwill toward humanity has somehow changed since the time of Job?

4. So before Abraham, God had no goodwill toward those people who worshipped him faithfully? That hem to be ill for some reason, but that reason has now vanished? Remember Romans 3 says God passed over former sins, which might make God seem to be unust, but that Christ sacrifice vindicates God for even those past sins, showing his justice. If God can forgive OT sins based on the future death of Christ, why couldn't he give Job immediate healing based on Christ's future gift of healing?

5. So you agree with God's word that if Satan causes an illness, it is not a sin to say that God did it?

 

You tell me. 80 to 90 % of the world lives in poverty, such as you saw.
Jesus said: The poor you will have with you always.
Jesus said of Himself:
Matthew 8:20 And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.

He that forsaketh not all that he hath cannot be my disciple.

The health and wealth prosperity is not only unbiblical it is anti-biblical.

We are fortunate to live in a nation of affluence where only 10% of the world's population have the opportunity to live in that luxury. For even in our own nation there is poverty with people living on the streets. And some of those are Christians.

Is it God's will? Here is God's will?
Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.
That is God's command to you.
When missionaries went to India the standard of living went up.
When they penetrated China and Africa, the same thing happened.

In the video of the Philippines, it is a Christian mission that is doing what they can to alleviate poverty in the Philippines. They are working hard to improve those conditions. Those are the people that we are commanded to go to--to reach them for Christ.

I am a missionary to the same type of countries. I see the same conditions. I am older than you, but I still go. I have seen marvelous changes in the lives of such individuals by the mere fact that they get saved, and through discipleship they come to an understanding of God's Word how to better themselves in their own living conditions. The gospel changes people.

But who will go? Whom shall I send? the Lord asked Isaiah. He still asks the same question.

 

The Bible teaches that prosperity comes from His Word. God is not concerned about materialism. In fact he hates it to some degree.

How hardly shall a rich man enter into the kingdom of God.
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle then for a rich man to enter into the Kingdom of God.

What is prosperity and success in God's sight?
Joshua 1:8 This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.

Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Luke 14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

Luke 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

Luke 16:13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Luke 9:24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.

Luke 9:25 For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?

Luke 9:26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.

Luke 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.

2 Corinthians 8:9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.
--spiritually rich; not materially.

I have a son preparing for the ministry now. It would be my heart's delight if he ends up spending his lifetime in a nation like India or Pakistan ministering there to those who live in poverty; those who have never heard the gospel before. That is why we are here on earth. That is the supreme way in which we can bring glory and honor to the Savior's name.

He has done so much for you; what have you done for him?