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And the Scriptural support for that premise?

 

As usual, I'm eliminating all the extraneous material, the insults and the trash talking.

I have said that there is a time problem in futurism. Logos1 won't accept that in a reasonable way but continues to demand that I admit to what I've already admitted. (Premillenianism solves the problem, but it would take a whole thread to do that, and I see no need to do that until Logos1 deals with my unanswered points on this thread.)

I have also said that preterism has a time problem. Rather than interact with that and prove that preterism does not have a time problem, Logos1 prefers tiring repetition of his previous point, insults and trash talking. I'll not stoop to that.

So we are at an impasse.

 

Does anyone on the thread or lurking realize how genuinely humorous these insults are to a missionary who has spent 31 years standing for Christ in a Gospel-resistant country with only 1% Christian? :laugh:

I think DHK and C4K understand, both being missionaries in difficult countries. (I won't even go into 40 years serving God with the martial arts, and the injuries and bruises I've had in that. )

 

You realize don't you that word-1 will accuse you of "whining" again!

 

That is because he does the same. One must be careful that when he points the finger he has three pointing back at himself. He doesn't even answer some of the posts directed at him, but rather "whines" instead.

 

Pretierism big problem is that ALL the Apostles looked forward to the Second coming, and John saw it in a future light for jesus had not yet returned, and Revealtion written after time the pretierists claimed he actually did!

Also, there would have been SOMETHING recorded when that happened, as John also states all eyes shall see Him!

 

Sure it was future to them BUT SHORTLY to come as the bible teaches

 

Word used does not mean short as in happening right now, but that when it comes to pass, will be done quickly!

 

Mu personal opinion is that the dating of Revelation has no bearing on the doctrine of Full Preterism, rather it is a red herring. I believe Full Preterism must and can be refuted by the Scripture dealing with the resurrection of the dead, many of which I have posted. Perhaps one of the more significant Scripture is the words of Job:

Job 19:25-27
25. For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
26. And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:
27. Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me.

 

IF John penned revelation though ad 90's. then the full pretierism doctrine comes crashing down, DOA!

 

Depends on your interpretation of the Book of Revelation. I don't interpret that book as the dispensationalist does, therefore, to me it is irrelevant in the Full Preterism debate!

 

His insults are not even creative! He's very repetetive not only in his insults but in his posts and it's boring.

 

Exactly right! No preterist here on the BB (and no doubt elsewhere on the Internet) has answered how "every eye" saw Him in 70 AD.

 

Maybe you can deal with what Logos1 absolutely refuses to. If Revelation was written in 60 AD as you preterists think, then how is 10 years to 70 AD called "shortly"? How is it a "soon coming" from 60 to 70, ten whole years?

 

This Full Preterism is probably worth having. And frankly I may have done Logos a disservice by not more carefully reading his posts. But in all honesty all I ever saw in his posts were "cutsey" or snide remarks. Any serious argument was simply lost in the clutter.

 

It's been answered many times, it's just ignored. Anyone who knows nothing about preterism knows it has been dealt with.*

Adam Clark Commentary

http://www.studylight.org/com/acc/view.cgi?book=re

Verse 7
Behold, he cometh with clouds - This relates to his coming to execute judgment on the enemies of his religion; perhaps to his coming to destroy Jerusalem, as he was to be particularly manifested to them that pierced him, which must mean the incredulous and rebellious Jews.

And all kindreds of the earth - Πασαι αἱ φυλαι της γης· All the tribes of the land. By this the Jewish people are most evidently intended, and therefore the whole verse may be understood as predicting the destruction of the Jews; and is a presumptive proof that the Apocalypse was written before the final overthrow of the Jewish state.

Even so, Amen - Ναι, αμην· Yea, Amen. It is true, so be it. Our Lord will come and execute judgment on the Jews and Gentiles. This the Jews and Romans particularly felt.

 

Um, no, Clarke's commentary does not answer me. He simply states with no proof that Rev. was written before 70, not saying how 60 to 70 is "soon." And the preterists on the BB have ceretainly not answered me. I've made the point over and over on this thread, and preterist extrordinaire Logos1 won't even touch it.

So you tell me, how is ten years "soon"?

 

if you think thousands of years is shortly then i can say nothing that will cause you to believe otherwise