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  1. HeirofSalvation

    HeirofSalvation Well-Known Member
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    Hair....Meet less than razor thin axe with which I will split you. :BangHead:

    "We accept the GOSPEL not CHRIST"
    So to "accept Christ" is "UnScriptural" ah...ok thanks for clearing all that up.:rolleyes:
     
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    :laugh::laugh
     
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  3. Iconoclast

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    Benjamin


    Sin keeps man from responding to God....on God's terms.Man can worship idols, or the works of their own hands .This is seen all through history and among the unsaved today.They are religious,yet unsaved.God must "give a new heart".
    10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

    This work of the Spirit of God...is what is implanted.

    Man is responsible before God his Creator. The fall has left him in the realm of spiritual death.God must intervene.When God intervenes quickening the dead sinner, spiritual life happens.

    This is no surprise....when God saves a sinner, that sinner is enabled to do what these passages suggest....you do believe, you do repent, you repent and believe all the days of your life.You do these things because;
    12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

    13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.




    I think you know this is not true Benjamin.....I will be in Phoenix/Tolleson tues morning for a few hours,after making a couple of deliveries.Are you going to be around, or at work?let me know if there is any window to meet at the Pilot/fjying j truckstop.
     
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  4. MB

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    Act_16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

    If we believe we are accepting Jesus Christ as Savior. I realize that is hard for a Calvinist to believe but it's the truth. If you believe you have accepted Him as Savior.
    MB
     
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  5. MB

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    Show me with scripture where it says we cannot reject Christ?
    MB
     
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  6. annsni

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    Believe and accept are two different words, aren't they? "Accept" has no connotation of belief at all.
     
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  7. Earth Wind and Fire

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    My question is more basic, "Why would you want to reject Christ? In the order of salvation, God through the Holy Spirit works in us, the will is changed under the sweet influence of the spirit of God.
     
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  8. MB

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    Really? Then how do you explain that in Believing in Christ we first need to accept the fact that Christ is who He said He is? Or else we might not be believing in the right person.

    I know you believe the Spirit just regenerated you with out believing but you have no scriptural proof of that either. Fact is you don't have any Scriptural proof of any of your doctrines.
    MB
     
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  9. Iconoclast

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    You really do not understand the teaching as you think you do.From what you are posting it shows a total lack of understanding.:wavey:
     
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    What I understand is you are unabled to defend the false doctrines of Calvinism because none are in scripture. Your only defense is that I can't understand what you cannot produce. There for I can only assume Calvinism is nothing more than a figment of the imagination. Why would anyone want to believe in an imaginative doctrine when the Bible is our only truth.
    MB
     
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  11. ShagNappy

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    “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” Ephesians 2:8-9

    Salvation is a gift from God through the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross. When given gifts do you believe in them or accept them? He never said accept Jesus, he said accept the gift of salvation. This entire argument seems intentionally obtuse.
     
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  12. annsni

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    Yes - We have to accept the Gospel. I believe that is Scriptural. But I do not see "accept Jesus as your Savior and be saved" in Scripture. I do not see "you will not be saved until you accept the free gift of salvation". I just don't see it there. I see "believe and receive".
     
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  13. Iconoclast

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    yes...we do see that ,as well as the Command to repent and believe:wavey:
     
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  14. annsni

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    Amen!! :godisgood:
     
    #54 annsni, Apr 1, 2013
  15. Stan Arney

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    Post Script

    Hebrews 5

    11 We have much to say about this, but it is hard to explain because you are slow to learn.
    12 In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God's word all over again. You need milk, not solid food!
    13 Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness.
    14 But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.

    Hebrews 6

    1 Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God,
    2 instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment.
    3 And God permitting, we will do so.
    4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit,
    5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age,
    6 if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting Him to public disgrace.
    7 Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is farmed receives the blessing of God.
    8 But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned.
    9 Even though we speak like this, dear friends, we are confident of better things in your case -- things that accompany salvation.
    10 God is not unjust; He will not forget your work and the love you have shown Him as you have helped His people and continue to help them.
    11 We want each of you to show this same diligence to the very end, in order to make your hope sure.
    12 We do not want you to become lazy, but to imitate those who through faith and patience inherit what has been promised.
     
    #55 Stan Arney, Apr 1, 2013
  16. Stan Arney

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    Post Script 3

    Book of HEBREWS

    Hebrews 1:1-14 “God’s Son is superior to the angels”

    Hebrews 2: 1-4 “No escape for those ignoring the Lord’s salvation”

    Hebrews 2: 5-18 “Jesus’ death brought salvation”

    Hebrews 3:1-6 “Jesus is greater than Moses”

    Hebrews 3:7-19 “The call of the Holy Spirit should be obeyed today”

    Hebrews 4:1-11 “Christ’s rest is promised to all who believe”

    Hebrews 4:12-13 “The Word of God is sharper than a double-edged sword”

    Hebrews 4:14-16 “Mercy is found at the throne of God”

    Hebrews 5:1-10 “Mercy is found at the throne of God (con’t)”

    Hebrews 5:11-14 “Maturity in Christ is stressed”

    Hebrews 6:1-12 “Maturity in Christ is stressed (con’t)”

    Hebrews 6:13-20 “God’s promise of salvation is assured”

    Hebrews 7:1-10 “Priesthood of Melchizedek”

    Hebrews 7:11-28 “Superiority of Jesus’ priesthood”

    Hebrews 8:1-13 “Jesus’ priesthood presents a new and better covenant”

    Hebrews 9:1-10 “Sacrifice in the earthly tabernacle”

    Hebrews 9:11-28 “The new covenant and the sacrifice of Christ’s blood”

    Hebrews 10:1-18 “Christ’s perfect sacrifice, once for all”

    Hebrews 10:19-39 “Perseverance in faithful obedience”

    Hebrews 11:1-40 “Faith is defined and illustrated through the lives of Old Testament heroes”

    Hebrews 12:1-13 “God’s loving discipline”

    Hebrews 12:14-29 “Warnings of the dangers of disobedience”

    Hebrews 13:1-17 “Instructions on hospitality, marriage and sacrificial giving”

    Hebrews 13:18-25 “Concluding requests and greetings”
     
    #56 Stan Arney, Apr 2, 2013
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