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  1. Thomas Helwys

    Thomas Helwys New Member

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    Yeah, your upper lip. Try washing it.

    Your discernment is as good as your knowledge of scriptural and historical truth.
     
  2. Thomas Helwys

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    What some here can't seem to grasp is that it is possible to hate a belief without hating the person who holds that belief.

    Some of my best friends here are those with whom I disagree the most. I even got off to a rough start with a couple of them, but we ironed things out.

    Heck, even you and I have gone at each other like two roosters at a cockfight. But I respect when someone stands for and posts scriptural and historical facts, whoever does it and whenever he/she does it.

    No two people will agree on everything, but I think we can all agree that "Jesus is Lord", which many scholars say was the first Christian "creed".
     
  3. WestminsterMan

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    Anyone who employs the personal attack has nothing else to offer and as I said before, displays behavior indicative of intellectual cowardace. :cool:

    WM
     
  4. WestminsterMan

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    Brother, [personal attack edited] Just sayin...

    WM
     
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  5. Zenas

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    Good analysis, and you are right about everything EXCEPT that everyone knows, fundamentalists excepted, Peter was using the term "Babylon" as a code word for Rome. So we know that Peter wrote his epistles from Rome.
     
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    No, not "everyone" knows that. There is a controversy over it. That much I will admit. There is a typical split. The Catholics and liberal theologians naturally side with the "Rome" is the meaning of it, also taking their typical "allegorical" stance, as Augustine promoted.
    More conservative scholars who tend to take the Bible literally, believe what it says is what it says approach, believe it to be Babylon. That is my belief. But I backed up my belief with Scripture. I gave reason for my belief. What reasons can you give for your stance other than the lame excuse "except that everyone knows."
     
  7. Zenas

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    1. The term “Babylon” is also used in Revelation and almost no one thinks it means that ancient city on the Euphrates River. Some scholars think it means Jerusalem. A few think it is referring to a modern city or nation not in existence in the 1st Century A.D. However, the majority of scholars believe it refers to Rome and if “Babylon” means Rome in Revelation it would mean Rome in 1 Peter.

    2. In the 1st Century Babylon was a backwater village, where people would pass through, not where they would go to stay. The context of 1 Peter 5 suggests he was living in a place he called “Babylon” and not just passing through. There would have been no reason for him to be there for any period of time.

    3. There is no extra-biblical evidence that Peter was ever in Babylon on the Euphrates. There is an abundance of extra-biblical that he spent his last years in Rome.
     
  8. saturneptune

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    You are entitled to your opinion except on one point, I stand by every word in the post as true. [Personal attacks edited]
     
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  9. DHK

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    Actually there is plenty of evidence as set forth by Jamieson, Faucett and Brown:
     
  10. WestminsterMan

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    I apologize for doubting your education. It's just that you always respond in such a sophomoric fashion... So what is one to think? "Think" being the operative word.

    Oh - I see; and only now you trying to walk it back. You use the term "Romanist" to deride Catholics here. You know very well that you are conversing with a limited audience including all of about four Catholics. This is total pap.

    Selective history. It figures. :rolleyes:

    No. But I do have something else that I would very much like you to start...:cool:

    Probably because TS and Walter have a much higher tolerance for BS than I. I'm just too old to put up with idiocy.

    WM
     
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    [Please post to the OP]
     
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  12. WestminsterMan

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    [personal insult edited] I say this because of the tone of your posts AND because of a barrage of harassing personal messages that you have sent me.

    Just for the record, I am demanding that you cease and desist with the harassing personal messages. I will do what I can to block your comments from my account.

    WM
     
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  13. saturneptune

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    You sent the first lob. The two messages I sent, I mean every word of it. As I said, you started it, and I finished it.[edited]
     
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  14. WestminsterMan

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    I did not send you a personal message and as I told you before, I do NOT respond well to threats! Now I am asking the adminstrators to step in and put a stop
    WM

    Doing my best.
     
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  15. saturneptune

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    You sent two PMs to be truthful, which you never are. Yes, get them involved

    Please post to the OP.
    Attack the position; not the person.
     
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  16. Zenas

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    That is not extra-bilical evidence. It is the opinion of a 20th Century commentator who gives no citation whatsoever to any ancient writing that says Peter was in Babylon on the Euphrates. It is also clear that the writer is anti-Catholic by his use of the pejorative term "papist."

    Most commentators believe Peter wrote his first epistle from Rome. For example, the evangelical scholar Ray Stedman writes thusly:
     
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    I will pray for you,
    It would proabably be wise for you to give it a break now.

    WM
     
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  18. saturneptune

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    Why would it be wise?

    My mind is quite clear,

    I will take a break when I so choose.

    Proverbs 15:1 A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger.
     
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  19. Walter

    Walter Well-Known Member
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    And I'm sick and tired of you saying we are not saved in violation of the Baptist Board rules. They should apply to you as anyone else.

    That is true.
     
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  20. saturneptune

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    I never said you were not saved. Produce a quote, which you cannot. I have only opposed the Catholic Church and doctrine. Never one word said about you personally.
     
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