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  1. annsni

    annsni Well-Known Member
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    His body was in the tomb for three days and nights. When Jesus died, what did He say? "It is finished." The debt was paid. If He contained the sins of the whole world for three days then He had no right to even be in the waiting room.

    It does - except it's not supported by Scripture. Why did He only preach to those from Noah's day? Remember - they all died in sin. They died in their sin because the Bible tells us that there was great evil. The only ones who survived were those on the ark. What about every other person who died in the Old Testament who trusted in God and His Word?
     
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    Question: "What is paradise? Is it different than Heaven?"

    Answer: The word paradise is used as a synonym for “heaven” (2 Corinthians 12:4; Revelation 2:7). When Jesus was dying on the cross and one of the thieves being crucified with Him asked Him for mercy, Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise” (Luke 23:43). Jesus knew that His death was imminent and that He would soon be in heaven with His Father. Therefore, Jesus used “paradise” as a synonym for “heaven.”

    What we do know for sure is that there has always been a separation of believers and unbelievers (Luke 16:19-31). The righteous have always gone to paradise; the wicked have always gone to hell (hades). For right now, both heaven (paradise) and hell (Sheol) are “temporary holding places” until the day when Jesus Christ comes back to judge the world based on whether or not they have believed in Him. The first resurrection is of believers who will stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ to receive rewards based on meritorious service to Him. The second resurrection will be that of unbelievers who will stand before the Great White Throne Judgment of God. At this point, all will be sent to their eternal destination—the wicked to the lake of fire (Revelation 20:11-15), and the righteous to a new heaven and a new earth (Revelation 21-22).

    Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/paradise.html#ixzz2VNHez5ZF
     
  3. annsni

    annsni Well-Known Member
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    So, heaven is in hell?
     
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    Heaven...Hell is all we have now, or at least in our minds time frame, not Gods... "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord."

    Before Jesus and when He died for 3 days...You had HEAVEN....Hades...Paradise.For God had to be separate from sin and is why Jesus came to FILL IN THAT GAP

    Now we must understand God is without TIME. So it can get confusing on how God sees it and man see it...the two like most paradoxes need to be carefully studied TOGETHER and is why there is so much confusion.
     
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    So you are saying that hell is on earth?

    Jesus didn't die for 3 days. He was dead for 3 days.

    I see in the Scriptures from God two places: heaven/paradise or hell. There are not three.
     
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    Excuse me Matt22.....

    ....but I didn't start this thread for you to take CHARGE of. So PLEASE back off so others can answer and not WORRY about you attacking them.

    This was supposed to be fun, not a battle between you and Ann! Start yout own thread, which you are good at doing, and find your own quiz.

    Please be charitable to the real reason behind this thread. :praying:
     
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    yeah kind of happens on ALL my threads too, the nerve huh?
     
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    I was actually enjoying the debate.:godisgood:

    BTW, where does scripture say that God can't stand in the presence of sin?
     
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    Habakkuk 1:13 Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity: wherefore lookest thou upon them that deal treacherously, and holdest thy tongue when the wicked devoureth the man that is more righteous than he?
     
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    I don't believe that is the point of the passage. It seems Habakkuk is saying God cannot look upon evil and ignore it. He is urging to God to take action against the evil that God sees, IMHO
     
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    Question: "Why does God hate sin?"

    Answer: God hates sin because it is the very antithesis of His nature. The psalmist describes God’s hatred of sin this way: “For You are not a God who takes pleasure in wickedness; no evil dwells with You” (Psalm 5:4). God hates sin because He is holy; holiness is the most exalted of all His attributes (Isaiah 6:3; Revelation 6:8). His holiness totally saturates His being. His holiness epitomizes His moral perfection and His absolute freedom from blemish of any kind (Psalm 89:35; 92:15; Romans 9:14).

    The Bible presents God’s attitude toward sin with strong feelings of hostility, disgust, and utter dislike. For example, sin is described as putrefying sores (Isaiah 1:6, NKJV), a heavy burden (Psalm 38:4), defiling filth (Titus 1:15; 2 Corinthians 7:1), a binding debt (Matthew 6:12-15), darkness (1 John 1:6) and a scarlet stain (Isaiah 1:18).

    God hates sin for the simple reason that sin separates us from Him: “But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden His face from you, so that He will not hear” (Isaiah 59:2; see also Isaiah 13:11; Jeremiah 5:25). It was sin that caused Adam and Eve to run away from God and hide “among the trees of the garden” (Genesis 3:8). Sin always brings separation, and the fact that God hates sin means that He hates being separated from us. His love demands restoration, which in turn demands holiness.

    God also hates sin because of its subtle deceitfulness which entices us to focus on worldly pleasure to the exclusion of God’s blessings. Those who have their sins forgiven can say, “You will fill me with joy in your presence, with eternal pleasures at your right hand” (Psalm 16:11). To pursue sin is to turn one’s back on the gifts of God, who has “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future” (Jeremiah 29:11). God’s hatred of sin implies that He loves His people and wants to bless them.


    Another reason God hates sin is that it blinds us to the truth. Jesus likened false teachers to “blind leaders of the blind” (Matthew 15:14, NKJV). John said that the one who hates his brother “does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded him” (1 John 2:11). Sin has consequences which the sinner often disregards. “Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows” (Galatians 6:7; see also Numbers 32:23). God hates sin for the same reason that light hates darkness and truth hates a lie. God wants His children to “have the full riches of complete understanding” (Colossians 2:2), and sin only gets in the way.

    God hates sin because it enslaves us and will eventually destroy us. Just as Samson’s sin led to his physical blindness and captivity (Judges 16:21), our sin will lead to spiritual blindness and bondage. “Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey – whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness” (Romans 6:16). God is the source of life, and He will extend that life eternally to all who believe. Sin is a barrier to our reception of life, and that is one reason why God hates it.

    God hates sin because it lessens our love for Him. The Bible says, “Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in Him. For everything in the world—the cravings of sinful man, the lust of his eyes and the boasting of what he has and does—comes not from the Father but from the world” (1 John 2:15-16). James warns us of the danger of embracing the world: “You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world is hatred toward God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God” (James 4:4). No one can serve two masters (Luke 16:13), and we must choose between sin and righteousness.

    As believers, we should hate sin as does God. We are “sons of the light and sons of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness” (1 Thessalonians 5:5). We must recognize that God has set us apart; we are “a holy nation, a people belonging to God” (1 Peter 2:9). We cannot become holy on our own, but God gives us His Holy Spirit to sanctify us (2 Thessalonians 2:13). We have His promise that He will help us in our struggle against sin (1 Corinthians 1:8).

    We hate sin because it separates us from God. We hate it because it lessens our love and dulls our conscience, because it binds us and blinds us. We hate it because it grieves the Spirit of God (Ephesians 4:30). Our prayer to the Holy One is “May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ” (1 Thessalonians 5:23).

    Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/God-hate...#ixzz2VOW57mwU
     
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    Perhaps, I just thought it might have been the verse you seemed to be asking for, if you were even asking for one.?
     
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    are you questioning their motives..isn't that against the boards rules?
     
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    No, it is not against the rules to answer a question.
    Here it is:

    BTW, where does scripture say that God can't stand in the presence of sin?

    I thought he was asking for a Scripture verse.

    I answered with Hab.1:13.

    No motive intended. Understand??
     
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    nice editing I guess as a mod you can do that
     
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    I am asking if there is one.

    Someone had said that "God can't stand in the presence of sin" as an explanation that Jesus didn't go to heaven immediately when He died.

    I have heard that for years to claim God the Father turned His back on Jesus as He died on the cross.

    I'm just trying to figure out if there is a legitimate scriptural basis for the statement.

    BTW, I do appreciate you answer.:godisgood:
    And for the record, DHK, I have always appreciated your input into debates. You have always been fair, candid, and Christ-like in your responses that I have seen.
     
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    What editing?
    I explained to you what happened.
     
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    Most people conclude that God the Father momentarily turned his back on God the Son, as he cried out "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me."
    In that moment of time God the Son bore the sins of the world, making an atonement for us all.
     
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    I forget who said it but someone said that at that point, God had to turn away or else He would reneg and not go through with having Jesus die on the cross. MAN, I wish I could remember who that was!
     
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