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Featured James White Responds To Dr Jerry Walls

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by DrJamesAch, Sep 4, 2013.

  1. Winman

    Winman Active Member

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    I agree he is smart, that is why he does not need to act so "snarky" as you say. He always has a goofy smirk look on his face. He rarely presents a truly good argument to refute his opponent, he just makes a bunch of smart remarks and assumes his view is correct. Of course, most folks that watch him are also Reformed, and buy this hook, line, and sinker. His fans do not have a clue.

    He does well against folks like Brown and Moorman who lack a dazzling personality. These fellows can be a little boring, they mostly present scripture and facts. Then James will come along with his big smirk and insinuate they are bonkers. That is basically what he does.
     
  2. Winman

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    It doesn't make him right either.
     
  3. Jkdbuck76

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    Correct. But being flippant is a major distraction. I found that out the hard way.
     
  4. Revmitchell

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    That is called arrogance
     
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  6. preacher4truth

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    So you're saying he employs the same tactics you employ on the BB?
     
  7. preacher4truth

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    winman says White rarely uses Scripture.


    Uh...


    LOL!!!!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
     
  8. Winman

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    Listen for yourself.

    http://www.aomin.org/podcasts/20130903.mp3

    I just listened to over 60 minutes of this broadcast where White "refutes" Jerry Walls' video "What's wrong with Calvinism". Oh, White will mention a verse in passing once in awhile, but he does not explain how these very infrequent mentions of scripture support his view, he simply ASSUMES the Reformed view is the correct interpretation of scripture.

    For example, when Walls argues that God giving temporary blessings to the non elect and then passes over them to allow them to go to hell is not truly love, White argues that Walls is making the mistake of arguing from "man's view" of love. No scripture used here, not one word, White simply says God has a higher form of love that men do not understand, and this is how God can love a man and simply pass over him.

    What is amazing about this particular argument is that Jesus taught the exact opposite. In the parable of the "Good Samaritan" Jesus shows that a truly loving person does not "pass by" those lost and dying in sin.

    Luk 10:30 And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.
    31 And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
    32 And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.
    33 But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,
    34 And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
    35 And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.
    36 Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?
    37 And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

    Isn't it amazing that Jesus spoke of those who "passed by" this poor man? It was the priest and the Levite that passed by this man, leaving him to die.

    But the good Samaritan (a mixed breed= God/Man) did not pass by. He stopped and offered aid, he bandaged up the man and poured oil and wine on his wounds (Holy Spirit). Then he took him to an inn and left the innkeeper to take care of him (Holy Spirit) until he returned (Christ's 2nd coming).

    Then Jesus commands us to do the same.

    But listen to White on this audio, he mocks Walls' belief that God wants to save all men and that it is not his nature to "pass by" men as Calvinism teaches.

    I stand by my statement. In fact, after listening to this audio, I stand by it more than I did before I listened to it.

    Maybe you should listen to it, I seriously doubt you have.

    Oh by the way, White is so vain he actually thought Walls' video was about him personally, when Walls spoke about many Reformed teachers, not just him. In fact, he mentioned others like John Piper far more often than White.
     
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  9. Rippon

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    Sat/Nep needs to see this post and act upon the advice of P4T.
     
  10. Earth Wind and Fire

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    Ouch Rippon.....or should I call you RIP now.
     
  11. DocTrinsoGrace

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    Eisegesis

    I hope the lawyer (Luke 10:25) who asked who a neighbor was (v29), figured out that Jesus was talking about preaching (?) in His response, so that the lawyer could then go off to become an evangelist. Ahem. :BangHead:

    I hope Walls doesn't use this kind of hermeneutic. I will go read about him.
     
  12. Winman

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    Wow, what a compelling rebuttal. :laugh:
     
  13. DocTrinsoGrace

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    Yes, the Word will do that. Context is a wonderful thing!
     
  14. saturneptune

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    Distain is too mild of a term. I cannot comment on the salvation of any one individual, as it is against BB rules, but lets just say how should a Christian react to someone who mocks, destroys, and humiliates at every opportunity? Show me one post that shows any of the nine fruits of the Holy Spirit or a Christ like comment from this individual.
     
  15. DrJamesAch

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    So Jesus told the lawyer to "go preach" to inherit eternal life?? Because that was the question that Jesus was replying to.

    The lawyer thought that he must DO something to inherit eternal life, which would not be hard to fathom considering that he was trained in the law. Lawyers had a bad habit of ripping people off to make their money, so Jesus was telling him, if you think you can be perfect, here's something for you to do because Jesus knew that he wouldn't do it because his heart was set on money.

    Using YOUR "exegesis", you would have this man getting eternal life by going to preach. Even that is not what Jesus said. Jesus did not tell the man to go and preach, but to go and treat your neighbor in the same fashion that He just described to him.

    However, you missed the point of the analogy entirely. The argument that Winman presented which was spot on, was that Calvinism's view of preterition (that God passes over some) does not hold water compared to the attitude that Christ Himself had against "passing over" others. If Jesus had the same thinking as Calvinists do when it comes to preterition, Jesus would not have offered a story where passing over others was viewed as a failure to recognize who ones neighbor is. And ironically, Jesus used the example of someone that was not even a 100% Jew because He likely knew that some Calvinist would try to take "neighbor" out of context and limit it to the elect, so Jesus used an analogy of a person that would not have been considered elect :) And even if Jesus was talking about preaching, that doesn't change the analogy. But considering the man asked about eternal life means he obviously wasn't saved. So another flaw in your logic was that Jesus was telling an unsaved man to go preach without even knowing what it meant to have eternal life.

    You're right, I hope Walls doesn't use your kind of exegesis.

    The story of the Good Samaritan is a perfect example of why God doesn't "pass over" any "non elect". And your explanation of it is a perfect example of how Calvinism twists Scripture to avoid the plain and obvious meaning of the text.
     
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  16. Rippon

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    You have flouted BB at every opportunity. What's stopping you now?

    Your last PM reminded me of Robert Snow's last PM to me before he was banned. You are two peas in a pod.

    As Andy T. said on 2/28/11 to you:"I've noticed how often you castigate people on this forum for not being civil or nice;yet I look at your post here as an example of that which you often denounce."

    And Andy told you this on 3/1/11 :"I was just struck by the apparent hypocrisy of SN's constant rebuking of others (not just in this thread,but all over the board)."

    S/N : When you use the BB as your personal garbage disposal,perhaps it's best to step back and see if you need to regroup,reorient and repent.

    You have on numerous occasions called folks (not just me) variously :stupid, idiot, fat slob, shut your fat mouth,crawl back in the hole from where you came from, dolt, nitwit etc. etc. Now do you think that that's the kind of Christ-honoring conduct that is winsome? Do you think your behavior is reflective of the kind of character that a church office-holder should have? Is that the sort of witness that a BB member should evidence?

    Go back to the day you said to me :"Well Mr. Rippon,you taught me a good lesson a few days ago in humility." 5/28/09
     
  17. TCassidy

    TCassidy Late-Administator Emeritus
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    I gave up, a long time ago, trying to enlighten the gospel haters who deny that salvation is all of God and none of man. They still think there is something good enough in them to come to God on their own terms. How utterly sad. :(
     
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    Yes Sir :thumbs:
     
  19. saturneptune

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    Or like a cow that cannot give milk, an utter failure.
     
  20. Revmitchell

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    It is false characterizations only intended to demonize those with whom you disagree with that discredits your position. If you do not really know what in the world you are talking about, it is best to just not comment on it at all. Or be more charitable. Either way grow up.
     
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