This Oughta Be Interesting....

I guess it is easy to de-humanize somebody when you dont have to look into their eyes. I see no difference in killing an un-born baby and a one month old baby.

I have watched two of my kids being born and they are defenantly little miricals, gifts from God. Anybody who could cold heartedly kill a baby because they are selfish has nothing but evil in them.

I am going to go out on a limb and say, A true Christian who has the Holy Spirit dwelling inside of him or her could never take any part in an abortion. People who take part in this need to know Christ and need to repent and be forgiven.

 

Amen, DeeJay!

 

No way. I have no desire to see a Taliban-like "Christian theocracy" set up in the United States.

 

What about those who do not agree with you? After all, they are the ones who must answer for their actions, not you and not me.

Regards,
BiR </font>[/QUOTE]BiR,

You really need to examine your name and your spirit. You are basically justifying any sin under the sun because people won't agree writh us. There is a thing about right and wrong. The Bible clearly states what that is.

I can't believe Christians are having this discussion. What "Christian" in their right mind could justify abortion?! What a sorry state His church is in nowadays. There are plenty of people on this board who seriously need to repent and seek God's truth instead of doing what they think is right in their own eyes.

 

Amen, Blackhawkk!

 

Hey, no problem: if that is what you want, then it's fine by me.
Are you planning on adopting any of those children?

BiR </font>[/QUOTE]2 Timothy 3:1-7 "This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."

God said it, we witness it!

Pastor Mark.

 

Blackhawk and PastorMark, Amen and Amen.

It is sad to see professing Christians state, as BiR has done at least indirectly, that since only those who commit an act ansswer to it, then everything should be legal. I believe the Bible clearly teaches that it is the responsibility of the believer to stand for the right vigorously and vocally. BiR seems to object to that.

 

BiR

You say that you believe that abortion is murder.

But you also hold to the stance that it is up to each individual to decide if they are going to commit this murder.

My question to you is why do you apply this standard to abortion but not to other murders? I assume (correct me if I am wrong) that you would strongly oppose allowing people to kill one year olds. Why the descrepancy if murder is murder.

I know this is not exactly the topic (killing one year olds) but I am useing the question to try to point out a descrepancy in your logic, as I was with the de-crimenlizing rape and killing homeless questions you refused to answer.

 

Here's a tip for you Bir. I did not say you supported abortion. I do state, based on your replies wherein you consistently refuse to take a stand against abortion that you do not oppose it. Based on the following, you would not publicly oppose rape.

You say on February 24, 2006 11:52 PM
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Originally posted by DeeJay:
BinR

Should we leagalize everything then. What about people who disagree with me about child abuse, or drug use, or rape, being wrong.

Should we leagalize rape, after all it will be the rapest that answers for his actions not you or me?

Sound reasonable?
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Hey, no problem: if that is what you want, then it's fine by me. Are you planning on adopting any of those children?

BiR

Again, you do not state that you would oppose such an act legalizing rape. On Feb 26, you post the following:

Yes, they alone will give account for their actions. What about your lack of action in trying to prevent that abortion. Should Christians speak out against abortion, murder, rape, incest and any of the manifold sins we see around us today. Or should we simply say, "Well they must answer for their sins, no problem of mine"?

 

No decision is still a decision

 

Many Christians who call themselves liberals in a political sense, will not take a firm stance against abortion.

Many of those that do openly oppose abortion will support candidates for political office that openly support abortion.

Makes one wonder.

 

No way. I have no desire to see a Taliban-like "Christian theocracy" set up in the United States. </font>[/QUOTE]I agree and it is further totally unnecessary.

People must take responsibility for themselves and their actions. When a couple engage in sex then there are very few that don't understand that an unwanted pregnancy is a possibility. By exercising this freedom, they incur the complete and TOTAL responsibility for the outcome.

Those who had nothing to do with the decision should not be expected to cover any part of the medical expenses for STD's or unwanted pregnancies. We should not be expected to pick up the tab for the child unless we do so in individual charity. Those who made the "free", constitutionally protected choice should bear the responsibility.

If a child is conceived then states should be allowed to create laws concerning the father's responsibility... or not. (There was a time when women were the "gate keepers" for their bodies but liberals weren't satisfied with that. Much better to have the situation we have now, huh?)

BUT- in no case, should an innocent third party be killed so that another can escape the consequences of having exercised a freedom. There is no other case when we would accept this logic.

 

Here's a tip: if you must qualify something as being said "indirectly," then it wasn't said. Baptist in Richmond is not accountable for the actions of others. If BiR IS accountable, then please provide the Scriptural justification for such a belief.</font>[/QUOTE] If Baptist in Richmond votes for politicians knowing that they will do everything in their power to keep abortion legal whereas a vote against that person would facilitate legal protection for that child... then BiR is indeed responsible for helping keep abortion legal and for the abortions that take place because it is legal.

You may not like it but you cannot divorce yourself from the responsibility of your vote.

Yes you do. Each time you vote for a pro-abortion politician, you vote to keep abortion legal. You do so knowing full well that abortions will take place due to your vote.

Whether it is something you like to admit or not, you give sanction to abortion by voting for pro-abortion politicians.

 

we should train our young people to become politically involved at an early age run for offices and take our freedoms seriously if we don't someone or thing will