The Second Coming Of Our Lord Jesus Christ

Well, actually, we'll be a "TRINITY" just like GOD, (in his image).

Body/Bone--Our Soul--Holy Spirit, in one person


Get the picture??

 

Yes, I would be glad to comment, as time permits.
(I'm in a big revival meeting - 9 or 10 hours working & traversing,
3 hour revival meeting, 8 hours sleep leaves about enough time
to clean between my toes and that is it.

The topic here is:
The Second Coming Of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

I've said that the Second Coming is like split - there are two phases
that both happen at either end of a 7-year day. Part of the consequences
of that is that i must say the national Jewish Israeli must be considered
in God's plan seperate from the largely Gentile church.
Another fellow believes that the two seperate (I can prove from the
Bible they are two seperate events) events happen on exactly the
same 24-hour day. As a consequence of his choice, he must say that
there are no 'real' Jews or Israeli left - that the largely Gentile Church
has become spiritual Israel, has replacted the physical Jewish Israeli.

Strangely, there are some evidences from the Bible that can be taken
leading in that strange direction - but it leaves lots of odds and
ends loose. I belieive that only the pretrbiulation rapture of the
largely gentile church - the plan of God to have a 'tribulation period'
to save 18 Million Jewish Israeli - that this doctrine is the only one
that does not leave lots of loose ends.

Strangely, when i speak simple, people say it isn't in the Bible.
When i speak of all the details, someone else will say it is too complicated.
When Bro Me4Him draws a chart, someone says it ain't like the words
in the Bible (though in fact, his charts make things much easier to say).
So frankly, Bro. Frogman, We who speak for a pretribulation raptute
are subject to a full frontal attack. I can see it behoves us to be
nice as, in general, nice folks last the longest here. But we are fighting
against a full scale battle here. Strangely, it doesn't really matter who
wins as long as some folk get saved or encouraged along the way.

Another thing that i find strange is that i beleive in the doctrine
of Once Saved, Always Saved (OSAS) which BTW is NOT a license to sin.
So i think even if God is post-trib - I don't have to worry about going through
the tribualtion period. For no matter what the forces of antichrist do
to me - I am saved and will stay saved.

BTW, I have practically a master's degree in historical torture methods.
Unfortunately, 99% of the population will sign any paper after 48 hours
of continous torture. The Other 1% will die. I do not think God is setting
up a future tribulation period in which 99% of His Children will fail.
It is just NOT THE NATURE OF GOD. God cannot be untrue to Himself - He
must be always the same Just/loving God

From 1290 to 1656 Jews were prohibited from the British isles by penalty
of death (though usually it was just banishment instead of quick death).
OF course, it was long toward the middle of that period that the English
could enforce the rules over the main British Island (they hadn't conquered
the Scotts enough yet).

Bishop James Ussher (1581-1656) of Scotland wrote a history of the World to
his time. Looking at the Bible, he figured out that the literal
creation week was about October 4004BC. Little did he know that every
Jewish boy was taught how to keep track of the years so he could
celebrate the feast of God at the proper time. If Ussher had had a Jew
he could talk to, he could have found out real quick that
The Second temple was finished in AM3408 that Adam was created by
God in AM1 which is equivalent to BC3761. But due to the racist anti-semetic
state of England, poor Bishop James Ussher didn't have the foggiest
when God created Adam.

Anyway, happy New Year to my Jewish Friends. BTW, i have also done a study
of how to bless folks of different sorts from my self. So in addition
to a Happy New Year AM5847
may your G-d Bless You!

 

TeeHee, the verse you quote validates my statement;
yet you say it is wrong?
Ah, maybe i should CLARIFY MY STATEMENT:

I can see we Church Age elect in heaven, under the altar,
appealing to Jesus to end the
torment of the earthly bound during the Great Tribulation
(by avenging the tormented).

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Originally posted by Ed Edwards:
D) Is martyrdom a prerequisite for salvation
during the tribulation?

Yes, for gentiles.
No, for Jewish Israeli.
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OldRegular: "Scripture??????????? "
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OldRegular: "I am waiting Ed. Since you use Scripture alone I must assume
you have a Scriptural basis for this statement unless you
have received a direct Revelation from God.'
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I was asked a series of questions to trap me. I answered them everyone.
I do not accept your false dicotomy; there are more than two possible
answers. Many questions are not answered directly from the Bible.
However, one may extrapolate (Statistics, to estimate the value
of a variable outside its tabulated or observed range) and
interpolate (Statistics, to estimate the value
of a variable inside its tabulated or observed range).

As always, one must assure that other parts of the Scripture
are not violated and that no additional loose ends are created
by one's extrapolation/interpolation.

I've hear about three differnt Messianic Jews say that they believe
when all the Gentiles that are ever going to get saved, get saved,
then the Lord will come Get the mostly Gentile Church out of the way
so He can start saving the mational Jewish Israeli. If this is correct
(and they certainly believe it is) then there will be no Gentiles saved
during the Tribulation Period. Notice, if this correct, it goes against
nearly every pretrib teacher. But most of them haven't been listending
to GOd's chosen people: the Jews every well

I know from the ECF that in the ten Roman persecutions they spake of
the 'stilborn Christian'. The 'stillborn Christian" is one who confesses
Jesus as Lord but then dies upon their first confession. They are
immediately made martyrs upon thier first confession. I believe there
will be 'stillborn saints' ONLY in the Tribulation Period. There will be
no 7-years of tricking Antichrist like in Millionare Pretriber's books.

quote:
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Originally posted by Ed Edwards:
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Will there be a mass period of evangelism during
the tribulation?

No, for gentiles.
Yes, for Jewish Israeli.
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OldRegular: "Scripture????????
---
OldRegular: "I am waiting Ed. Since you use Scripture alone I must assume
you have a Scriptural basis for this statement unless you
have received a direct Revelation from God.

Again, you pose a false dichotomy. There are other choices then
the two you suggest.

The purpose of the Tribualtion Period is it is Go's plan to
save a maximum number of national Jewish Israeli.
At the mid-trib crisis the AntiChrist will go into the Temple
(yes, the physcial temple will be restored in the firt half
of the Tirbuation period) and declare himself as god. TheOldRegular: "
national Jewish Israeli will see that the one they though was
Messiah is not and will believe Jesus is thier Messiah - this beleive
in the Risen Messiah will cause them to become saved. God will rest
His Protective hand on them and cause them to live through the
last half of the Tribularion Period: 'the Wrath of God' or 'the
Great Tribulaion Period'. Thus there will be a great revival among
the national Jewish Israeli. I see no sign of a need for a revival
among the gentiles during the Tribulaion period.

 

Well, actually, we'll be a "TRINITY" just like GOD, (in his image).

Body/Bone--Our Soul--Holy Spirit, in one person


Get the picture?? </font>[/QUOTE]No! Your statement

is meaningless without Scripture to support it.

Actually we are already body and soul and if saved are indwelt by the Holy Spirit. </font>[/QUOTE]If Jesus shed all his blood on the cross, and it was the same body resurrected, "WHAT" was keeping it alive, flesh and "BLOOD" can not inherit heaven??

And we shall be "like him".

Trinity, Yep, but it not "ETERNAL", this old flesh must die, unless we're raptured.

 

Let's look at the parables of the "FIG Tree"S".

Mt 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When HIS BRANCH is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, THIS GENERATION shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

His branch is Jesus.

Zec 6:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:

The parable said that Jesus's "GENERATION" would not pass until all was fulfilled, and it didn't.

Ps 90:10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; (70 years=Generation)

Mt 22:2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, (God) which made a marriage for his son, (HIS BRANCH)

3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they (Jews) would not come.

Mt 22:7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. (JERUSALEM, 70 AD)

That parable was fulfilled "EXACTLY AS PROPHESIED".

Mr 13:28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When HER BRANCH is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:

29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.

30 Verily I say unto you, that THIS GENERATION shall not pass, till all these things be done.

Her branch is Israel's restoration as a Nation, 1948.

I'll let ya'll do the "Math", don't forget to subtract 7 year off for the rapture,

that's how much of a "FUTURE" the world has left.


And "LUKE" is the "THIRD WITNESS" to the "END OF TIME"

Lu 21:29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; (his/her)

30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.

31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

32 Verily I say unto you, THIS GENERATION shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

And the next verse is God's "OATH", it will occur exactly as he says.

Lu 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

We have about SIX YEARS, OR LESS and I'm finding some evidence, it might even be "This years", Jesus said we couldn't know the "DAY AND HOUR", but he didn't say we couldn't know the Week, Month or even the years.

His referrence to "DAY AND HOUR" was actually a "CLUE" as to when it would occur, "Feast of trumpets", no one knows the "DAY AND HOUR" the "TWO WITNESSES" will appear to "BEAR WITNESS" to the "NEW" moon", to officially begin the "NEW YEAR". (moon=an assemble of God's people)

Re 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

Read the thread on ""God's plan for the Ages" and you'll see how all this is "Spelled out" from "Genesis to "Revelations".

 

Me4Him: //Read the thread on ""God's plan for the Ages" and you'll see how all this is "Spelled out" from "Genesis to "Revelations".//

Amen, Brother Me4Him -- Preach it!

 

I fail to see your point above just as I fail to see your point in all the charts in "God's plan for the Ages". Dispensational error is dispensatonal error no matter how it is presented. </font>[/QUOTE]"Dispensation", the ordering of events under divine authority, any religious system. (webster)

Surely, you aren't going to deny the change from the OT to the NT, "ARE YOU"???

A "Dispensation of time" under the "Law and prophets",

and a "Dispensation of time" under Jesus's leadership.

Even the Tribulation period is a "dispensation of time".

I fail to see why the "word", dispensation is attacked when used in conjunction with Scripture, all it means is to describe a specific period of time when a particular system/events occurs.

I must be "dumber than a creek rock", cause I shore nuff don't understand it.

 

Amen, Brother Me4Him -- Preach it!

(except i don't agree about the
"dumber than a creek rock" part)

 

God only have ONE plan of salvation for every individuals of all ages from the beginning to the end of the age. Nothing change of His plan of salvation. The only one plan of salvation of all mankinds throughout all ages, is have faith in Christ. All of them are on the same boat which is through Jesus Christ. All are dwell in same God's house forever and ever. That's so simple.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

Ed said:

I have never been able to accept the dispensationalists idea of two Second Comings, but, then again, much of what is written by Darby is wild guess work. Nor can I understand why Paul's letters to the gentiles cannot be applied to any Jew as well. When you confront a Jew, do you minister to him differently than you would a non-Jew? I have a young man in my ministry now whose family is Jewish and practice Judaism. He has shown great interest in Christ and Him crucified. Should I tell him that his salvation is not based on Grace alone? Heaven forbid I utter such blasphemy!

Ed, you say you do not listen to early church fathers but prefer the Bible alone, but the whole system of Dispensationalism is based on earlier church fathers. Even if you do not have a written confession of faith, you hold to an unwritten confession of faith that is generally held by other dispensationalists.

An unworthy sinner,

dale

 

dale kesterson: "Should I tell him that his salvation
is not based on Grace alone?"

I apologize profusesly. Your questiont indicates I've failed
to communicate what the Lord showed me is in His Bible
on this matter.

Amen, Brother DeafPosttrib - Preach it!

Ed: "I've said that the Second Coming is like split - there are two phases
that both happen at either end of a 7-year day. Part of the consequences
of that is that i must say the national Jewish Israeli must be considered
in God's plan seperate from the largely Gentile church."

This seperation is IN TIME - between the Gentile age NOW and the
Tribulation 7-years to come.

Yes, i see my last post is probably all that got read. I've apologized
before for not being able to to post everything in every post.

Ed: "I belieive that only the pretrbiulation rapture of the
largely gentile church - the plan of God to have a 'tribulation period'
to save 18 Million Jewish Israeli - that this doctrine is the only one
that does not leave lots of loose ends."

All 18 Million Jewish Israeli saved during the Tribualtion Period
will come to Jesus one at a time when they realise that Jesus is thier
Messiah and the Antichrist is NOT their Messiah.

 

Quoted above:
// __"For over 70 years, Southern Baptists have harvested the shallow
discipleship and vapid theology that resulted from sowing Mullins'
theological seeds of experience," wrote Sean Michael Lucas, a seminary
archivist and associate director of the seminary's Center for
the Study of the Southern Baptist Convention.//

Which 70 years does this mean?

I would expect if one took time to pray for the SBC instead of
attacking it, one might find the SBC to be much better than before. I know this worked for me.

In fact, we all know that the Doctrine of soul Competency
is a Baptist distinctive - a litmus test for real Baptists.

((That is as opposed to pseudo-baptists who imbrace the five "anti-"s:

Anti-education
Anti-Bible (i.e. KJVOnly)
Anti-alien (includes anti-Semetic)
Anti-women
Anti-success ))

I put the definition of 'Soul Competency' and the statement by Mullins
and Hobbs that 'Soul Competency' is a baptist distinctive.
Unfortunately i found it in a denouncation of the SBC.

 

Me4Him: //"We have about SIX YEARS, OR LESS and I'm finding some evidence,
it might even be "This years", Jesus said we couldn't know the
"DAY AND HOUR", but he didn't say we couldn't know the Week,
Month or even the years.//

I respectfully disagree.
The meaning of 'day' in this passage is 'the appropriate time'.
The meaning of 'hour' in this passage is 'the appropriate time'.

Though not used in this scripture, were it used, then 'year'
would mean 'the right time'.
Though not used in this scripture, were it used, then 'month'
would mean 'the right time'.
Though not used in this scripture, were it used, then 'fornight'
would mean 'the right time'.
Though not used in this scripture, were it used then 'week'
would mean 'the appropriate time'.

If you will stick with what God gave you, you would realize He
knows when the appropriate (right) time is; you do not know the
right time.

BTW, the partial restoration of Israel to the land is NOT
a pre-requisite for the pretribualtion rapture (it is for the
post-tribulation rapture). So unless you are going postie on me,
best not worry about how 1948 fits into prophecy.

Here is a way 1948 does not fit into prophecy. Remember the 1260 days
that keeps showing up (it is 3½-years)? If you subtract 1260 from
1948 you get 688. In 688 the Dome of the Rock was under construation.
It was dedicated nearly every year (as a money raising scheme - that
gold roof was expensive ). So we can say "The Dome of the Rock was
dedicated in AD688. There is a shopping center near me. I've lived
in my town for 32-years. The shopping center was replaced once since
i've been here. The life expectancy of an American shopping center
is 20-25 years. The Dome of the Rock was building for over 40 years.
You can see it has held up through it's 1260th birthday

quoted scripture: //1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood
cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.//

Unfortunately the person quoted this does not understand that God
has three Kingdoms:

1. the eternal kingdom of God in the heavenly relms
2. the 1,000 year physical kingdom of God (AKA: Kingdom of Chirst)
3. the eternal spiritual kingdom of God that dwells within a saved person

flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God:

1. you have to have a heavenly body to get into heaven
2. you have to have a new physical body to get into the physical 1,000 year
Messanic Kingdom of God (MK)
3. you have to have a spiritual rebirth to get into the eternal spirital
kingdom of God.

So here Me4Him was right-on!!!