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Featured SDA Sabbath keeping?

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by targus, May 22, 2015.

  1. BobRyan

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    "Details inconvenient to your argument - still matter" -

    These are pro-Sunday sources pointing out the error in your attack on God's 4th commandment.


     
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    This doesn't point out any error in my stance at all. They didn't keep the Sabbath. You don't keep the Sabbath. Your silence to post #30 is deafening.
    They nor you keep the Sabbath. This is visibly demonstrable by this quote from post #30:
    Does Bob keep the Sabbath? No!
     
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    BY THE
    [FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]DWIGHT L. MOODY[/FONT][/FONT]​
    The Ten Commandments:
    Exodus 20:2-17
    .
    The Fourth Commandment

    Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.

    [FONT=&quot]THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

    I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place. [/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27) [/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was[/FONT][FONT=&quot]- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

    The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai.
    How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

    I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes;
    [/FONT]

    Well I will give you this - you are an optimist.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
  4. DHK

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    Bob, let me put this rather bluntly.
    A question has been asked you. "How do you personally keep the Sabbath?
    You have side-stepped that question with every post. In fact the one or two sentences that you did answer have been proven to be false in my one quote above. You don't keep the Sabbath.

    So why do you keep wasting time and space by reposting the same sermon over and over again. You are selfish--thinking only of your self in this and not willing to engage in any debate at all.
    You keep re-posting the same people, the same sermons, the same scripture all the time--copy and paste, copy and paste, copy and paste--something that my three year old grand-daughter can do. It doesn't take brains.

    Answer post #30.
    Answer why you do not, cannot keep the Sabbath, and why the SDA's are only playing a game of hypocrisy. If you were really serious about keeping the Sabbath you would become a Jew, and keep the OT laws. But you won't do that. You just keep up this charade instead.
    Why is it? Why try and defend the indefensible?
     
  5. BobRyan

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    True and the bible answer posted over and over and over again is best illustrated here -- #35

    The problem you have with that is that it is the "Bible Answer".

    And we both know it is the sort of answer that D.L. Moody, C.H. Spurgeon, the Westminster Confession of Faith, the "Baptist Confession of Faith" and a host of others would endorse far before they would go with your wild guesses.

    And these guys are not even keeping the Bible Sabbath in its unchanged form and STILL they condemn your guesswork and rather endorse the Bible answers show here.

    Were we simply "not supposed to notice"????

    You need to step back into reality for a minute before assuming that such a non sequitur is going to be swallowed like Koolaide it simply does not match with the actual facts on the thread.


    Nonsense to the point that even the majority of pro-sunday scholarship rejects it... how much more would Bible Sabbath keeping Christians reject it?

    If you can't come up with an argument that your own pro-sunday side of the fence will agree to - how do you ever expect it to fly on the other side of that fence?

    Be reasonable if you want a compelling solution.

    You idea that the pro-sunday scholars that debunk your guesswork "vanish" once that point has been made a couple of times - is another nonsensical "solution" -- it is not logical to insist that having been utterly debunked by even the sunday sources - you are now successful simply because you have been repeatedly debunked on that point.

    That argument makes no sense.



    As we all know by now - the majority of PRO-Sunday sources consider your "Sabbath can't be kept" nonsense as utter fluff.

    how then are the pro-Bible-Sabbath scholars going to then blindly swallow the koolaide you offer here?

    You circle back to "SDAs ... just SDAs" as if that imaginary fiction ,, that oft-repeated "story line" makes all these pro-sunday sources 'vanish' so all that is left is just you and SDAs.

    Were we simply supposed to "forget" that you are tilting at the windmills in your own pro-Sunday camp on this one?????

    Really??

    Surely you would agree that you need a compelling point that your own side will buy first - before trying to sell it to the other side of the fence.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    That is a straight out lie.
    Post #35 describes nothing of a personal nature at all.
    When a person asks me "What is your service like; what can I expect if I come to your church," and I answer them according to the way that you are answering me, and quote to them some verses like John 3:16 or Acts 10:43, what do you think that they will think of me?
    They will think that I am missing half my mind.
    And perhaps I think that way of you for you can't answer a simple question. You just throw back a ball of scriptures which are totally irrelevant.
    For example. "Hey Bob, what are you doing today?"
    I'm doing Lev. 3:2-5 and Exodus 40-3-9. Yep. Really good Bob. We all understand what you are doing.
    So, how do you personally keep the Sabbath? Have you figured out the answer to that question yet?
    They don't keep the Sabbath. You don't and they don't. And yes, you are supposed to notice. Read post #30, and learn.
    You have not yet once answered my question. Not once.
    The kool-aid be yours. Give an answer to post #30, and stop this insanity.
    FYI, most Christians today (regardless of what you post or claim) do not claim to keep the Sabbath. That is why you find opposition to it here. Ask Vooks. Does he keep the Sabbath? No. Most other Baptists I meet will tell you the same thing. You can quote CoF from years gone by. People have learned from their mistakes and moved on.
    The Sabbath is for the Jews, a covenant given to the nation of Israel and her generations forever. You are not of Israel.
    1. I am IFB, and do not belong to any Baptist denomination.
    2. Because I go to church on Sunday does not in any way mean I am keeping the Sabbath.
    3. Your obvious ignorance of what it means to keep the Sabbath is both deliberate and stubborn. That makes it sin. Neither of us keep the Sabbath; no one here does. There are no Jews on this board.
    Sunday sources vs. Sabbath sources.
    My Sabbath sources are stronger and more accurate than any of your sources and defeat any arguments that you have given me. You don't keep the Sabbath. It is all pretense.
    You cannot keep the Sabbath inasmuch as you cannot keep all the law.
    The Sabbath law is not for today. It never was.
    It was a law for Israel.

    Study post #30, and then explain to me how you keep the Sabbath.
     
  7. BobRyan

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    So when you get that from Catholics on not worshiping before images or when you get that from bikers when it comes to not taking God's name in vain... or when you get that from Hindus when it comes to not worshiping other God's - you say "amen! Brother keep on keepin' on"???

    Because I am pretty sure the IFB guys would take exception with you at that point.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    Originally Posted by BobRyan [​IMG]
    True and the bible answer posted over and over and over again is best illustrated here -- #35


    Utter nonsense the claim that the "Bible is not a good answer for Bible doctrine" when it comes to what we are supposed to do on the Sabbath the Bible IS THE Answer.

    As it turns out.

    You did not ask "how was your afternoon" rather you ask the Bible question -- the Bible doctrine of how the Bible Sabbath is to be kept -- and I provide it from the BIBLE - this is not acceptable to you because you have some sort of name-calling agenda to serve and if all you have to call names at - is the Bible it weakens your ability to do it. But as we BOTH know even the pro-Sunday sources I quote fully affirm those Bible texts in #35 as the valid way to keep Sabbath. We BOTH know it!!

    Your Bible-avoidance of those texts is far more transparently obvious than you apparently imagine to yourself. Deal with the texts illustrated here -- #35 if you want a compelling argument for Christians.

    Emotionalism is not "an answer" - it is fluff.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    The commands you mention are part of the moral law.
    There is nothing "immoral" concerning "not keeping the Sabbath day."
    It is not part of the moral law of God, and that is the basic difference.
     
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    And that still has nothing to do with:
    How do you PERSONALLY keep the Sabbath?
    Avoidance; avoidance.
    The Bible does not say:
    "I Bob Ryan, do this on the Sabbath..."
    I never thought I would have to explain to you, the same way I would explain things to a pre-schooler.
    How do you PERSONALLY keep the Sabbath?
    You probably can't count high enough the number of times I have asked you:
    How do you PERSONALLY keep the Sabbath?
    Likewise, the number of times you have avoided answering it.

    As I said, the Bible doesn't have your name in it, so unless you can find a book with your name on it, those scriptures are irrelevant. It is your testimony that is relevant here. Try answering post #30 and quit being a coward!
     
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    Turns out - that is a denomination in the sense that you slice out a tiny group of Christians to join with your group outside of your local congregation in the form of fellow IFB's where you do share evangelistic interests, communion etc with them. Furthermore your own IFB

    http://www.fbinstitute.com/moody/The_TenCommandments_Text.html

    Is publishing D.L. Moody's statements as quoted on this board.



    You and I are on perfect agreement on that point DHK. Of the few points where we do agree - that is one. And I have never accused you of keeping Sabbath.
     
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    You are confused.
    I belong to an IFB (Independent Fundamental Baptist church).
    You have referenced another acronym (FBI) but not the government.
    Either way it is not something that I have any association with.

    My church is as its description is:
    1. totally independent of any other church, that is, completely autonomous.
    2. Fundamental. We have a statement of faith that outlines in detail the fundamentals of the faith which must be believed or affirmed before joining the church. They are not only "believed," but acted upon.
    3. Baptist. We are thoroughly Baptistic in our distinctives.
    One of those (we believe) is "separation." We are not part of any denomination. Others may; we will not.
     
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    So either your denomination is the "size of just one local church" or you actually do share communion with other IFB churches acting like a denomination because of the fact that you shun so many other Baptist groups even the Fundamental Independent Baptists - thus making your fellow IFB's more like your own church - your own denomination.

    In any case - I am not here to insist that your group is larger than one little congregation if that is how you prefer it - have it whatever way you wish when it comes to your own group.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    The Bible defines doctrine - it states how to keep the Sabbath - as we all know from these texts - a point so incredibly obvious that even the majority of pro-Sunday scholars agree

    But since you are pretending not to know that the Bible instructs us on this point -- let's make it easy for you - tell us all what text above you find confusing -- and I will tell you how EVEN the pro-Sunday scholars would quickly accept the text.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    I find it interesting that you think that rebellion against God "is moral"

    Thankfully - D.L. Moody, the "Baptist Confession of Faith", C.H. Spurgeon, the "Wesminster Confession of Faith", Matthew Henry, Andy Stanley, Charles Swindoll, R.C Sproul and many others have figured out that the Bible does not agree with you on that wild guess.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    What is the difference? You also know I am a missionary.
    If I go to a foreign nation and gather a few people together for a Bible Study, and eventually they receive the Word, and become saved. I baptize them, and from this small nucleus we become a church--unaffiliated, independent, without any association to any denomination to anyone anywhere.
    Now if I do that in America why is it so difficult for you to understand?
    We are independent and do not believe in denominations.
     
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    There is no rebellion to a command never given to the NT believer.

    Not one of them keep the Sabbath; you just think they do.
     
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    The Bible doesn't have your name in it Bob.
    The Bible doesn't tell me how you "PERSONALLY keep the Sabbath.
    In these lame posts of yours you demonstrate to all that you do not keep the Sabbath. That is why you keep avoiding the question. You are too cowardly to answer it--that is, HOW you keep the Sabbath?

    Are you in a secret lodge that it is so secret you can't tell HOW you keep the Sabbath. I didn't know the SDA's had great deep dark secrets they were not allowed to share???
     
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    That is what the Catholics say when I talk to them about "Sola Scriptura" -



    That sort of nonsense does not pass for "Bible study" among the sola-scriptura Protestants that I hang out with.

    Even the pro-Sunday keeping scholarship knows enough to affirm the texts already posted on here on the subject of the 4th commandment. Your bend-and-twist trying to get the issue with those texts to be "well yes but just SDAs notice those texts" --- is nonsense.

    Your efforts to bend the topic into the extreme "nobody is keeping the Sabbath by my saith-DHK standards" is not even remotely -- Bible study.

    But you are certainly welcome to that island of refuge and solace.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    I am willing to hazard a guess that a person like Vooks can describe to me what he does on Sunday, and what his service is like, even though he does not keep the Sabbath per se.

    But you are a professed SDA. And to your shame you cannot tell us how you personally keep the Sabbath? That is a real shame.
     
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