Featured Berean Proof the Nicene Creed of 381 A.D. Challenge

Hebrews 3:7-11

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7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,

8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:

9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.

10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.

11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)

What is the way to enter into that rest? By coming to the Son.

What is the way to come to the Father in worship? By coming to the Son.

Matthew 12:32

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32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

You can't be speaking against the Holy Ghost when the Holy Ghost is leading you to speak of the Son to honor the Son to glorify the Son.

Acts 7:51

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51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.


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How about Who it is that they are resisting the Holy Ghost about? The Son.


Acts 28:25

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25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,

Who was the Holy Spirit speaking about through Isaiah? The Son.


Romans 8:9-10

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9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.


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Do we not separate the Father & the Holy Ghost from the Son when the Son of God had died on the cross?

And yet this was the mind of Christ we are to have when exalting the name of Jesus above every other name to the glory of God the Father.

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Now let what He has done be in your mind when you come to worship God the Father by because that is why and how His name is above every other name.

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Below, Paul told every believer to be obedient on how they worship God the Father by and that is only by way of glorifying the Son.

12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

So pretty much, the Nicene creed is misleading believers into thinking that Jesus & Paul said something else in how to honor & glorify the Father by... as in... "Did God really say that?". Yeah.. He did. Plainly.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

But I guess a lot of people will believe the Nicene creed of 381 A.D. over Jesus's words of Him being the only way on how to come to the Father to worship Him by.

 

John 16:32

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32 Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.

No. I believe Jesus referred to when every one will be scattered. There is a different view on that cross when this was written.

Matthew 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour. 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Mark & Luke both testify also to this event when Jesus took our sins upon Himself that it was "reflected" in nature as the light from the sun, the light from the full moon, and the light from the stars all blinked out as an unexplainable darkness enveloped the world. The light of creation took our sins upon Himself.

2 Corinthians 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. 21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Thallus, a secular historian, recorded the darkness at His crucifixion as an eclipse, but Julius Africanus corrected him as saying it was unlikely because there was a full moon at that time. Therefore for that darkness to exist, where was the light from the full moon? Therefore the light from the stars were also affected for such a darkness to exists.

http://www.biblehistory.net/newsletter/crucifixion_darkness.htm

So the Son of God did experience a separation from God the Father.

The Son of God was also the Son of Man, and the Son of Man had died, but Christ had the power to be alive again.

John 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

This is His glory.

Philippians 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Can God die? The Son of God/Son of Man did. God the Father cannot, and neither can the Holy Spirit.

Actually, since it is written that no man has seen God the Father, but Jesus has, John 1:18 & John 6:46 , then Who was the God that men had seen in the O.T. by Abraham ( Genesis 18:1 ), Isaac ( Exodus 6:3 ), ( Genesis 32:24-30 ) Jacob & others ( Exodus 4:5 )? That was the Son of God.

Yep. When He took our sins upon Himself, our Creator, the Light of the world, it did show in creation of what our Creator did for us as Witnessed by the Father & the Holy Spirit.

 

You quoted it.

John 16:32 Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.

Jesus was referring to that hour when His disciples would be scattered is when at that time, the Father would be still with Him.

 

Isaiah 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

That was why He was asking where His Father was, and how He felt forsaken. It was in that hour of darkness, that the Son of God took our sins upon Himself in ransoming us back to God.

2 Corinthians 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. 21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

 

No. Jesus was both the Son of God & the Son of Man on the cross.

 

Can man do this?

John 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Only the Son of God can do that at the cross.

 

What passage are you talking about since many passages are in that quote?

You seem to be taking it that way just for me to be wrong.

I believe you should refer to the passage in question to clarify your response so I know what you are talking about.