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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by TomLaPalm, Mar 1, 2016.

  1. Darrell C

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    "Rome" only shackled those who were religious, not those who were sincere believers. Even for the sincere believers who did not have what we have, which is open access to the Word of God, indoctrination did not nullify the sincerity of their faith in Christ. Does not Martin Luther illustrate this principle?

    I think a false perception of those who were limited in their knowledge is often portrayed when we assume that they were as culpable in regards to poor and false doctrines which arose. We see the same sort of errors in every group we can name today, some who have embraced erroneous doctrines or concepts, and some who don't actually understand what their group actually taught, or teaches.

    And the greatest illustration for this would be in if the Protestants were shackled, they would not have protested, lol.


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  2. Darrell C

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    I thought we were supposed to reject Angle Doctrine?

    ;)


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    And that is why Williams immersed his converts
     
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    But Williams was a short term Baptist.....wasn't it just a few months?

    Sent from my TARDIS
     
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    Which we do not view as the first occurrence of immersion, right? Which brings up the point as to how important our doctrinal views are to the name we carry. It speaks against a view that salvation is something imparted by men, or, decided for men by other men.

    So I wouldn't view, myself, that Williams started the "Baptist" movement, or that Baptists are actually Baptists because they are associated with a movement titled Baptist. Which is just to agree with another poster who said we trace our roots right back to the beginning. There's more to being a Baptist than immersion in water.

    As an edited afterthought, I would ask if it might be agreed that the concept of the "Anabaptist" can or could be seen in Paul baptizing again the disciples of John the Baptist?


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    Well, not all of us. The first Baptist church in American was founded by a Welsh physician, John Clarke, Williams' compatriot in the cause of religious freedom in the New World, who established the First Baptist Church in Newport, Rhode Island, in 1636.

    Ezekiel Holliman baptised Williams in late 1638. This event marks the beginning of the church that still survives as the First Baptist Church in Providence, Rhode Island.

    Williams was a "Baptist" for only a few months. After a few months, he became convinced that the ordinances could not be restored, having been lost in the Apostasy (when Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire), without a special divine commission. He wrote "There is no regularly constituted church of Christ on earth, nor any person qualified to administer any church ordinances; nor can there be until new apostles are sent by the Great Head of the Church for whose coming I am seeking."

    Williams never again affiliated himself with any church, but looked forward to the time when Christ would send a new apostle to restore the church.

    Hardly a Baptist. :)
     
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    God made me a Christian and I went to the nearest church that seemed alive to get baptised, it was baptist. If I had to state my theology point of view it would be Calvinistic Methodist.
     
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    Isn't that an oxymoron?
     
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    Just a statement of belief.
     
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    But isn't Methodism, by definition, Arminian? What is a Calvinist Arminian? :D

    Didn't Whitefield's followers split off to form Presbyterian congregations?
     
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    Calvinist Methodist churches: A church where the Methodist sends nasty letters to the Calvinist about his doctrine (predestination usually) and the Calvinist replies graciously back to the Methodist. :)
     
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    Selina Hastings, Countess of Huntingdon
     
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    Not at all. The Welsh Calvinistic Methodists were a wonderful denomination for many years and Wales was blessed with many revivals. George Whitefield was involved with them and a guy named Howell Harris. Also, google up the name John Elias.

    Unfortunately, they became very liberal at the start of the 20th Century and are today known as the Welsh Presbyterian Church and are rubbish.
     
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    Whether all agree or not is irrelevant. You are correct!
     
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    You would be wrong!
     
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    Actually I believe that Martyn Lloyd-Jones was Calvinist Methodist. I believe that group is essentially limited to Wales.
     
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    Hey, I didn't state my view, I just opined that I did not believe that the Baptist members of this site were in agreement on the issue.

    And this thread has proven that I was very, very right.;)
     
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    I was reading about Howell Harris in a book about George Whitefield. Interesting conversion!
     
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    You are wrong. Baptists are not protestants!
     
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