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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by jacob62, May 7, 2005.

  1. DHK

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    How convenient that you neglect the last part of the above verse. "and the ministry of the word"

    Do you also neglect what the rest of the Bible has to say on the subject?

    Here are some of the instructions given by Paul to Timothy, a pastor at Ephesus:

    2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    1 Timothy 4:11-16 These things command and teach.
    12 Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity.
    13 Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.
    14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.
    15 Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all.
    Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
     
  2. jacob62

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    Yes,prayer and reading and doctrine as led by the Holy Spirit.Then when you stand up to preach,the Holy Spirit will guide you as to what to say.
     
  3. DHK

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    The Holy Spirit never leads one to speak out of his own ignorance.
     
  4. jacob62

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    Right DHK,When the apostles spoke, it was from the heart, guided by the Spirit,the same as Jesus did. Do you think Jesus studied for a week and then preached? A preacher that studies and prepares all week is carnal. A preacher that simply gets up and starts preaching has a greater faith than the former, because he is "led by the Spirit."
     
  5. DHK

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    Jesus stumped the Rabbis and the doctors of the law in the Temple when he was only 12 years old. Christ is omniscience. Do you also claim to be God? Are you also omniscient?
     
  6. DHK

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    2 Timothy 4:13 The cloke that I left at Troas with Carpus, when thou comest, bring with thee, and the books, but especially the parchments.

    Barnes

    Acts 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
    --Paul studied enough that he was able to quote from the Greek poets as well as from the Bible.

    Titus 1:12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
    --Paul was educated enough to quote from the prophetic writings of a Cretian.

    Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
    --Jude was familar enough with Apocryphal writings to quote from a book called "The Book of Enoch."
    Also, did he just have this interesting fact, that Enoch was the seventh from Adam memorized? Or, did he go back and check his facts in the Torah before writing them down in that which would later become sacred Scripture? It was the Holy Spirit that commanded us to "Study to show ourselves approved unto God."
    You don't believe that verse do you?

    Just one other question for you:
    The Bible uses the word "unicorn" 7 times, all in the Old Testament. We know that the unicorn is a Greek mythological creature. But what does it mean in the Bible? Can you tell me?
    DHK
     
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    Faith without works is dead.......

    When I wish to cross a river, I do not observe the bridge and show my faith in that construction, then look ten feet down and start walking on water to show that I have more faith than others.

    Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. It is not a blind trust, nor a foolish thrust. It is obedience and compliance with the Word.

    All the New Testament disciples were taught in the books of the Old Testament, and they were steeped in personal experience in the presence of the Lord. Remember the words, Lord, teach us to pray....? The disciples were asking to be taught. Remember them meeting in the upper room attending to a learning session? They spent time learning and experiencing what the Lord would have them know. It was not a hocus pocus sort of thing attributed to the Holy Spirit.

    We have the completed word, and we are exhorted to study and to know the word.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  8. jacob62

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    "Brothers,the scipture had to be fulfilled which the Holy Spirit spoke long ago through the mouth of David..."- "All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the spirit enabled them",try to study for that!-"Then Peter,filled with the Holy Spirit,said to them...."-"Above all,you must understand that no prophecy of scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation.For prophecy never had it's origin in the will of man,but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit."-No DHK,I cannot tell you what a unicorn is.I've not been led there yet.
     
  9. DHK

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    And you won't be led there. God uses men. The Holy Spirit won't lead you to things that you are able to learn from others. You won't learn that kind of information without going to sources outside of the Bible. Thus you will remain in your ignorance.
    2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

    Since when did you qualify yourself as one of the Apostles, or the holy men of old, the writers of the Scripture, that God used and inspired to write our Scriptures. Do you put yourself on par with the Apostles. A few posts ago you put yourself on par with Christ. At least you have come down a step.
    Have you studied the Greek philosophers like Paul; are you familiar with the Cretian prophets?
    Did you aquaint yourself with apocryphal literature like Jude?
    Then you remain in your ignorance compared to these men, don't you.
    What about their education--They had studied and had a command of: Hebrew, Aramaic, Latin, and Greek. Luke was a physician. Paul was probably the most educated person on the face of the earth at that time. God used their education to communicate the Word, both written and oral, to the world at that time.
    DHK
     
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    Eccl. 12:9-11, "In addition to being a wise man, the Preacher also taught the people knowledge; and he pondered, searched out and arranged many proverbs. The Preacher sought to find delightful words and to write words of truth correctly. The words of wise men are like goads, and masters of these collections are like well-driven nails; they are given by one Shepherd."
     
  11. jacob62

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    Again your study is as carnal as the world would study a book.Being led by the Spirit is different than someone who follows a prescribed regiment of study outlined by men that constantly changes.This is proven in your choice of doctrine that disagrees with at least 20 other doctrines of other denominations and within your own.You cannot justify the splits and divisions other than your strand is correct and all others are wrong.You say only minor differences?Then why not only one church?How many Baptists doctrines are there?How many times are they "updated"?The Spirit never changes true biblical doctrine.But I am just a fool beginning my walk.But you are a seasoned vet that cannot heal,will not drive out demons because of unbelief,and surely could not raise the dead.You are great in your eyes,as Pharasees were also_On a final note,I wonder if Jesus cried to a woman about "personal attacks"? The Troll
     
  12. DHK

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    Jacob,
    I pointed to you Scripture that you can't recocile for yourself.
    #1. The Bible commands us to study. 2Tim.2:15.
    Knowing of this command to study to show ourselves "approved" unto God, How many hours of study do you put into your Bible Jacob?
    #2. I showed you where Apostles such as Paul studied outside of the Bible. He quoted from Greek poets, and Cretian prophets. Those quotes BTW have become part of our inspired Word of God.
    #3. I have showed you where Jude, the half brother of Jesus, was well acquainted with other literature, such as the apoccryphal book--the Book of Enoch, for he quoted from it.

    Finally I deomonstrated by asking you a single question: Define the word "unicorn" from the Bible.
    You were unable to. You cannot do it without outside sources--commentaries, dictionaries, encyclopedias, lexicons, etc. You need some other source to find out what this unicorn is. For today's definition is a Greek mythological creature, a horse-like creature having one horn protruding from its head. It had special magical powers in Greek mythology. Is this what you believe? Is this what the Hebrews believed? What is a unicorn? Is the Bible referring to paganism when it teaches about the unicorn, for it gives some good comparisons about the unicorn? Or do you determine not to go to any outside source and remain in your ignorance?

    You say my study is carnal?
    My study is from the word of God.
    Your refusal to study is sinful carnal pride.
    DHK
     
  13. jacob62

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    As I read the bible I study and am led in the Spirit.At least an hour reading the psalms aloud,then usualy another hour reading various scripture,and definetly not enough. Where is your church and what is the name of it DHK?
     
  14. DHK

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    The name of my church is given in my profile, "Bible Baptist." The name of your church is not, and the name of your denomination is not. This, BTW is against BB rules, something that you agreed to when you signed up with this board. Why haven't you identified yourself correctly?

    I am still waiting for an answer. What is a unicorn?
    DHK
     
  15. jacob62

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    My profile should say:independantMy church should say:7th day Baptist-As I stated before,Ive not been led or have read about a unicorn.Where is it?Does your church have a website friend?
     
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    Independent is not a religion or a denomination. For example, Are you a an independent Muslim or an independent Hindu, Which?

    7th Day Baptist may count as a denomination, but that is not where you put it, and it is not the name of a specific church. What is the name of the church that you attend. Do you attend a church regularly? Are you a member of one? This is what the administration wants to know.

    No, my church does not have a web-site.

    As regarding a unicorn, my point is well proved isn't it? You need to have study outside of the Bible to understand what a unicorn is. You must go to other resources. There is no way that the Holy Spirit is going to lead you to this knowledge using the Bible alone. If you say that He will, then you believe in a heresy called "gnosticism."
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    Perhaps you don't know where it is because you don't believe in using books outside of the Bible? Is this true? Not even a Strong's Concordance?? :rolleyes:
     
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    Perhaps you could tell me the scripture in the Bible where the unicorn is mentioned. Where can I find the doctrine of your church and does your church have a website?


    The Troll [​IMG]
     
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    Do your own homework Jacob. It is easy to find the word unicorn in a concordance. Look it up.
    And as I mentioned already, no we don't have a website.
     
  20. jacob62

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    Independent is not a religion or a denomination. For example, Are you a an independent Muslim or an independent Hindu, Which?

    7th Day Baptist may count as a denomination, but that is not where you put it, and it is not the name of a specific church. What is the name of the church that you attend. Do you attend a church regularly? Are you a member of one? This is what the administration wants to know.

    No, my church does not have a web-site.

    As regarding a unicorn, my point is well proved isn't it? You need to have study outside of the Bible to understand what a unicorn is. You must go to other resources. There is no way that the Holy Spirit is going to lead you to this knowledge using the Bible alone. If you say that He will, then you believe in a heresy called "gnosticism."
    DHK
    </font>[/QUOTE]Your point is not made yet,you have not pointed out the scripture you are refering to.If and when you do,then we will see if I know or if I have to use an outside source.Otherwise talking about a unicorn is pointless.There are many people here that have not always pointed to a specific denom. or church.Independant christian.Have some integrity and ask me to leave instead of relying on your silly rules.So I suppose its safe to say your doctrine is "Bible Baptist"? The Troll [​IMG]
     
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