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Featured Paul’s very clear warning about today’s #1 disastrous doctrine

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Samuels, Feb 21, 2017.

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    This is what Peter said about our Salvation being kept by God
    1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
    1Pe 1:4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
    1Pe 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
    What say you of this passage?
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    I believe the Calvinist have the easy believe system down pat. They don't even have to believe. They are saved so they can believe. Faith is a gift not something you generate your self. Everything is left up to God to do. You do absolutely nothing, not even believe to be saved. There is no conviction of sins, no being convinced in order to have faith, no faith first. No thoughts of being saved, it just happens. No seeking God for Salvation. No submissions to the power of God's love. Talk about easy, it seems to be the ultimate of easy.
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    What must a sinner do in order to have God save him then?
     
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    How is salvation evidenced in the life of a Christian? What is the fruit, which the Spirit of God produces in the life of the Christian? Can this fruit be manufactured by your own efforts outside of the work of God's Spirit?
    Salvation is solely from God, but the process of sanctification is ongoing as we walk with Christ and carry our cross. Christianity is not for the faint of heart. Read Hebrews 12 to understand the discipline we receive as children, adopted by God.
     
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    Act 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
    Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
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    Amen, but there are some here who seem to add to add good works into that mix!
     
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    It is the work of the Holy spirit to confirm us into the image of Christ, for as paul stated in Galatians, saved by faith alone, the work of the Spirit, how can we go back to good works and keeping Law to mature us now then? Saved by faith to faith, as Romans stated...
     
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    Whose "faith" Peter was writing about?
    Next, you need to come to grips with what being "faithful" means.
    Believers must remain in the faith to inherit eternal life!

    Care to see the 10 NT verses which (try to) teach us that
    believers must endure in their faith until death to receive eternal life?

    But, what does just enduring in the faith mean?
    Does it just mean believing and having faith?
    How about trusting Jesus to get you through?
    Does it include being obedient to Jesus' commandments?

    And there's the necessity of walking in the Spirit and not in the flesh.
     
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    This is just another version of John 3:16. (Know that song, "Only believe!"?)

    What's involved in "believe" ... e.g. Disobedience proves Unbelief (Hebrews 3).

    Such verses simply catch the simple little fishes who are floundering around.
    Then gradually, they get to find out about the whole Truth.

    And Jesus comes along and says, "Before you bother to really get started,
    you'd better count the cost of building that beautiful tower you're dreaming about!"

    Because it's NOT as easy as you first thought (or, were told)!

    the believer's tower = his/her life of salvation
     
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    Sure show me these 10 verses
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    Who is the one keeping us, ourselves, or Jesus the High Priest, the Spirit the sealer?
     
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    Good works come after Salvation not to keep Salvation but simply because we were created to do good works.
    Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
    We are like dogs trying to please our master by doing what He wants of us. Some never do any good works. I'm not there judge Christ is. I do good works by giving my testimony about my Salvation to others. By Helping others, by giving. and loving my neighbors. These are the easiest. The toughest things are always remaining humble and kind. Never allowing my self to be high minded.
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    Yes, good works are evidence of a new life in Christ, but again, some seem to see God as basically telling us to obey well enough and long enough, and He will reward us with eternal life!
     
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    Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
    Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
    these two verses tell me you have no idea of what you are speaking about.
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    Jesus told us to believe in God, and believe on Him, the One God sent to be the Messiah!
     
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    You say: The doctrines of grace are not backed up by proper scripture.

    Please prove this.

    Find the verses used by Calvinists and show me how they are improperly used to express the idea of:
    Total depravity
    Unmerited Favor
    Limited Atonement
    Irresistible Grace
    Persistence of the Saints

    Second, show me the proper scripture that you use to show:
    Limited Depravity
    Merited Favor
    Unlimited Atonement
    Resisted Salvation
    Loss of Salvation

    I will wait for you to provide scripture for all of the above.
     
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    Might be awhile for him!
     
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    Nonsense.
    Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
    Many claim Salvation yet true salvation is not invisible. True Christiansare tender of heart loving and caring for there brethren. This verse was writen for those who believe for a short while but there belief wilts and dies. Ithere seed was planted in poor soul they had no true understanding. They had no root they simple were never saved.
    The very bottom line is the last verse in this chapter.
    Heb 3:19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
    Simply they never fully believed.
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    Just as in Israel there were many who professed the Lord was their God, and yet under trials showed true colors, same fashion in the church when tough times hit!
     
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