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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Samuels, Feb 21, 2017.

  1. MB

    MB Well-Known Member

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    Whats the matter can't you find all the passages that you claim back up your doctrines of grace?
    I only believe in one doctrine and it is the doctrine of Jesus Christ. I believe in one God the creator. The Holy Spirit, and God's Son Yet all the same God I believe in all the scriptures in context and all of them together prove with out doubt what I believe. I do not to take God's word apart to believe what I believe because it takes all of it in Context. I do not believe in man and his ideas of what scripture says a verse at a time. It takes all of it combined to prove what I believe. If you have a Bible you already have my answer. God's word is it's own interpreter. Read it in context and see for your self.
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  2. Yeshua1

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    So you have no systematic theology then?
     
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    Of course I do the system of all of it together gives the best understanding.
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    Any authors that you would recommend?
     
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    How can we have a good understanding with out all of it together?
     
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    I fail to see why I would need other writers when those who took the dictation for God's word directly from God were God's choice to write them down. All men who are saved have the best teacher there could ever be. The Holy Spirit. What man can teach it better than God? None I know of.
    MB
    P.S. Men do not impress me with what they claim. Too many of them are simply wrong.
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  7. Yeshua1

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    Are you just the Bible only, as the correct way is that we use th bible as ONLY infallible sourcefor doctrines/practices, but God did give to us teacher/pastors/theologians also!
     
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    MB, you made the claim. It's your responsibility to prove the claim and not be lazy. If you choose not to provide the biblical documentation I will consider that you have made a false claim and consider your statements bogus.

    MB, Satan believes in the doctrine of Jesus Christ.

    MB, you said
    Show us what you mean. Use the whole Bible in context to show that there is no total depravity, there is no unmerited favor, there is no limited atonement, there is no irresistible grace, there is no perseverance of the saints.

    This is your opportunity to show us what you mean.

    From your statement I take it that you don't believe in your own ideas of what scripture says. Only if one shares from the beginning of Genesis to the end of Revelation can you believe what is said.
    Therefore you don't believe any human being including your self.

    It must be odd for you to be constantly arguing with yourself over the entirety of God's word and never believing what you say.
     
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    Things that do not exist in scripture simply do not exist in the doctrine of Jesus Christ. Calvinism does not exist in scripture. By the way I know demons believe in Christ yet they have no faith. Mormons believe in Christ as well but that does not mean they are saved. They believe a miss application same as you. You have misapplied election. You believe all men fell with Adam when we are only hurt by the death penalty because of Adam. We cannot enjoy God's garden.
    The Ball is in your park. You are not able to prove what you believe then you expect me to prove it for you. I can prove man is able to hear the gospel. Act 28:28 I can prove that Christ died for the world and not just a few. Jn 3 :16. Gentile's are not elect because scripture never says they are. Any one who calls on the name of Christ will be saved. Any one who confess's Christ will be saved.
    Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
    Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
    Proof man does not have to be elect. What comes out of our mouth is our justification. No where in scripture is the atonement ever limited. Jn. 3:16 Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. These two verses show particular election is false. God's grace is not irresistible and scripture never says it is

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    The Bible is the only book that matters in doctrine. It is the only source of truth. Men lie there books have no comparison to scripture. So why take a chance on men when we can just place our trust in God's word.
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    So, since free will does not exist in Scripture, it cannot therefore exist in the doctrines of Jesus.
    Conversely, since predestination does exist in the scriptures it must, therefore exist in the doctrine of Jesus.

    Indeed. But no one has claimed that Calvinism exists in the Bible. People only claim that Calvin rightly devined the Bible in regard to human sinfulness, God's granting of favor without us deserving it, God's limiting of Christ's atonement to those whom God chooses, God's sure calling of those whom he wills to save and that the children God adopts will always remain adopted because they will continue in the faith.
    You make this claim about me, but you have no scripture to back up your claim. All you have is an unwarranted assertion based upon your own ignorance.
    Show us biblical evidence. Start with Genesis 1 and end in Revelation 22. I ask this because you don't use individual verses out of context.
    I have shared passages such as Ephesians 1 and 2; Romans 8 and 9; John 6:35-40.
    I have pointed out the large number of places where the Bible calls Christians the chosen of God. (1 Peter 1 and 2)
    These are passages, not out of context.
    MB, you said you don't just use verses out of context, but you just did what you claimed you don't do.
    Your verses don't prove anything about election.

    What does Acts 13:48 reveal about election? How about Romans 8:29-30? Ephesians 1:4-5, 11? 2 Thessalonians 2:13?

    MB, you are being hypocritical to your own claims regarding reading and interpreting scripture.
     
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    Maybe because God gave to us pastors/teachers/theologians, gifted by the Holy Spirit, to enable us to understand the Bible fashion fashion?

    So we do not need Bible dictionaries. Lexicons, Grammars, just the Bible alone?
     
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    Trinity does not exist as a term in the Bible, but did the church not glean that to be true as to the nature of the Godhead from the scriptures themselves? Inerrancy as a term not in there, but the concept really is!
     
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    If some of you people could read and understand anything,
    thouest wouldest SEE that I am just providing the NT warning verses
    about people who think they are saved, but are habitual unrepentant sinners!
    ... who live just like the unsaved habitual unrepentant sinners!
    Give me a break!
     
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    Simply ... NOPE!
    All it is teaching is that ... their disobedience proved their unbelief.
    They didn't believe with saving faith because they chose to disobey.
    Der r multitudes of dese peoples in da choiches today!
     
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    Those people you described were not ever even saved though!
     
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    Mennosota;
    Act 13:48 has been translated differently many times. In a direct translation from the YLT or Youngs literal translation It reads.
    Act 13:48 And the nations hearing were glad, and were glorifying the word of the Lord, and did believe—as many as were appointed to life age-during;
    Yet Calvinist build an entire doctrine on one verse.
    MB
     
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    Ephesians 1 and 2; Romans 8 and 9; John 6:35-40.
    I have pointed out the large number of places where the Bible calls Christians the chosen of God. (1 Peter 1 and 2)

    You are making up excuses, MB.
     
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    Doesn't Acts also state that as many as God chose to get saved were saved, and that He opened their hearts and minds?
     
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    Indeed, but MB is looking for a loophole out of that verse.
     
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