Featured Colossian 3:13b; NIV vs. ESV, NKJV, KJV, NASB, etc.

I don't see any significant difference in meaning.

Forgive as the Lord forgave you. NIV

Vs.

"as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive." [ESV]

The meaning is identical, no?

I am not a Greek scholar, but I do read English and I am getting the same meaning from all the translations listed.


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"Forgive as the Lord forgave you" is a command to forgive. The NIV just condensed it.

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Caveat: also not a Greek scholar

Like McCree, I think the meaning is the same and maybe shows a difference in translation philosophy? The other translations try to give words/word order that is more like what is in the Greek, since it does end with words that can be translated "even so [do] you".

When we look at Greek texts, NA/UBS and Stephanus 1550 show a slight difference, but not in reference to what you ask. NA has κύριος/Lord where Stephanus has χριστος/Christ, which accounts for that difference in KJV and NKJV.

 

The last half of the text in NA reads: καθὼς καὶ ὁ κύριος ἐχαρίσατο ὑμῖν οὕτως καὶ ὑμεῖς:
So the words could mean roughly in order:
Even so/According as | indeed | the Lord | forgave | you | so | indeed | you [do].

This probably wasn't italicized in the online KJV you found, but "do" will be italicized in a print edition.

 

Check out the NET's note at Lumina.bible.org

 

If anyone should have a complaint against anyone, just as also the Lord forgave you, thus also you do the same. LEB

 

Is this the one:

Goes with this translation of Colossians 3:13 in NET:

 

Let me say that I am not a KJ onlyist. However, the KJV is the only translation in the English language that should be used. Study after study I have done has proven that the KJV is far more accurate to the original texts. Even considering using the NIV or NASB is laughable. The NKJV, while not OK, is the best of the modern translations but if you need to know, go with the KJV and have the original greek and hebrew available from the site blueletterbible.org

 

What is laughable about the NASB? What makes the KJV superior to the likes of the Geneva?

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By reading the above how can you deny that you are KJVO?

 

As a word for word translation philosophy advocate, I do not like the NIV rewriting verses. But it appears, as others have noted, they did not alter the message, they just condensed it. As TC has noted at the end of the verse three Greek words appear (thus also you)
which the NIV captured by saying "forgive as the Lord forgave you."

Yes it appears many translations added "do" or "must" or "should" without putting the additions in italics.

I like the NASB version, except that the added "should" should be in italics.

 

It does not take a Greek scholar to see that the NIV has not left the imperative statement out. Note that the NIV has merely move the command from the back of the phrase to the front: "Forgive..."
I give credit to the NIV for their economy of words to express the phrase.