Are there any ex-catholics on this forum?

Oh wow, a 7th Day Adventist. I have just one question. Do you keep kosher? I mean real kosher, as in not consuming any blood at all? The beef you buy at the grocery store or eat at Burger King is not kosher, you do know that, right? That goes for their poultry too.

 

Hello.
Are you looking for arguments against the Church? If so, I can't help you. However, perhaps I can help you in another way. Let your son find his way -- if that's in the Catholic Church, then that's wonderful. If not, then that's ok too -- the important thing is that he love and serve our Lord -- which he can do in either Catholic or Protestant churches. I had to make peace with knowing that my daughter-in-law is not attending the local Catholic church, but going to a Protestant one. Once I realized that she is finding her way back to God, then I was okay with that. Well... honestly -- I would prefer that she would come back to the Church, but what's important is that she is engaged in worshiping God and Jesus and coming to Them. Trust in the Lord. He will lead your son where He wants him to be. Remember -- His will, not ours (and sometimes, that's really hard!) May the Peace of Christ be with you.

 

Why are you bragging about this?

 

Kosher is a modern Talmudic [read, "rabbinic"] teaching, and does not quite line up with actual scripture [KJB], yet, none the less, I do obey that which scripture [KJB] teaches.

What does this mean, then, in response to your excellent question.

It is written:

Psalms 77:13 KJB - Thy way, O God, is in the sanctuary: who is so great a God as our God?​

Therefore, every single doctrine of Jesus [the way, John 14:6], even the whole plan of Redemption, is found therein. This would include the doctrine of diet.

You are absolutely correct about the blood (and fat, and diseased, strangled, died of itself, etc) still being in those modern "shambles" (markets).

God forbids from those things to be consumed (even from Genesis, at the beginning) even today, especially by the follower of Jesus Christ.

Acts 10,11 &15 to give just a few references, more in another thread, another time, with a few examples to follow.

Acts 15:20 KJB - But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.​

This is repeated on several occasions, see also Acts 15:29, 21:25. Acts 15 is citing the OT health laws of God, Leviticus 7:26, 17:12-14, 19:26; Deuteronomy 12:16,23, etc. In fact, Peter cites Leviticus 11:44,45, 20:7 in 1 Peter 1:15,16, and that is right in the middle of God's health laws, which deals with Holiness, for what one eats, consumes, affects the mind, character and body and health.

3 John 1:2 KJB - Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.​

See also:

1 Corinthians 10:31 KJB - Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.​

1 Corinthians 6:20 KJB - For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
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The problem is, most of Christianity is not obeying God, and is causing physical and spiritual drunkeness, and darkness and blindness.

They are ignorant of God's way, see Hosea 4:1-6 KJB and will perish in such, not because light and truth was not sent, but because men loved darkness, rather than light, sin more than righteousness.

Read carefully, 1 Corinthians 10:6,11 with Psalms 78:17-32 KJB. Those who continue to rebel against the light, will receive the wrath of God, even the seven last plagues, even as now the diseased flesh that is shovelled into their mouths, brought serious flu's, coming out of their noses, slaying many.

The sanctuary teaches us that health reform and diet, going back to eden, should be progressive.

Outside the sanctuary was the wilderness and the lost world, eating and drinking to the god of their bellies (1 Corinthians 6:13; Philippians 3:19), eating all manner of blood, diseased, unclean, etc.

But once a person became a follower of Christ (1 Corinthians 10:4), they entered by faith into the Courtyard, which was in service until the ascension of Jesus Christ, which taught that only the clean could be eaten, temperately, no blood, no fat, no strangled, no diseased, had to be sodden, and fired and dried (like jerky), not whole slabs of flesh (given to shorten the sinners lifespan (Genesis 9:3-5).

Once Jesus Christ ascended, the Courtyard transitioned into the Holy Place (Revelation 1:1-20, 4:1-11, 5:1-14, etc.) the diet was to change again, for in the Holy Place Jesus eats no flesh whatsoever, and we are to follow the Lamb whithersoever He goeth (by faith), yet, there was cooked grain (bread), olive oil, herbs (incense), showing the change in diet. Once Jesus transitioned to the Most Holy Place (end 2,300 day/years Daniel 8:13-14,26; Revelation 8:13; and end of 1,335 day/years Daniel 12:12. The antitypical day of Atonement, Leviticus 16 & 23, etc.), the diet moves once again to a more raw fresh diet, leaving behind heavy cooking, since there was the manna, the almond buds, the leaves, Eden restored diet.

Yet, because darkness crept in, most was forgotten, not followed, until the Most Holy Place was opened in Heaven, Daniel 7:9,10,13,22; Revelation 3:7,8, 11:19 KJB etc.

Yet, God is merciful, and longs to heal our diseases, diets, corrupt lifestyles.

We, as Seventh-day Adventists, have the mandate from Jesus Himself:

Matthew 10:8 KJB - Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
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Therefore I don't eat flesh any longer, for about 8-9 years now, and my diet is closer to the edenic (I also have a garden, but that's another study in the sanctuary), fruits and veggies, Health reformer.

 

"The problem is, most of Christianity is not obeying God, and is causing physical and spiritual drunkeness, and darkness and blindness."


If everyone obeyed God there wouldn't be a church.


The Achilles heel of Seventh-day Adventist is abortion and the murder that takes place in SDA hospitals.





Here is link to SDA official stance, it does its best to be on the fence as to allow abortion trying to please both parties.

Its Ironic that the super stance on keeping commandments the Sabbath with neglect to Thou shalt not Kill.


Abortion


4) The Church does not serve as conscience for individuals; however, it should provide moral guidance. Abortions for reasons of birth control, gender selection, or convenience are not condoned by the Church. Women, at times however, may face exceptional circumstances that present serious moral or medical dilemmas, such as significant threats to the pregnant woman's life, serious jeopardy to her health, severe congenital defects carefully diagnosed in the fetus, and pregnancy resulting from rape or incest. The final decision whether to terminate the pregnancy or not should be made by the pregnant woman after appropriate consultation. She should be aided in her decision by accurate information, biblical principles, and the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Moreover, these decisions are best made within the context of healthy family relationships.


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Notice the Church does not serve as conscience but has no trouble 90% nagging about how you love God on the wrong day, or vilifying other religions

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5) Christians acknowledge as first and foremost their accountability to God. They seek balance between the exercise of individual liberty and their accountability to the faith community and the larger society and its laws. They make their choices according to scripture and the laws of God rather than the norms of society. Therefore, any attempts to coerce women either to remain pregnant or to terminate pregnancy should be rejected as infringements of personal freedom.

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Basicly if you tell any women they should not murder their child, I mean have an abortion you would be infringing on their personal freedom.

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6) Church institutions should be provided with guidelines for developing their own institutional policies in harmony with this statement. Persons having a religious or ethical objection to abortion should not be required to participate in the performance of abortions.


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Sweet so you don't have to kill children if you don't want to when you work in a SDA hospital. But if you don't mind go right ahead.

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You know an easier way to convert Catholics to SDA is just tell the Catholics you will stop murdering children if they switch. I'd do it myself.

 

I think its funny that you require people TO DO THE RIGHT THING and leave the Catholic church, while the most major point of conflict between us is the Catholic claim that you have TO DO THE RIGHT THING while you claim it doesn't matter what you do, its on God's secret elect Lotto whether you are saved or not.

A Calvinist who believes being catholic or not hurts or helps your chances at being saved doesn't actually believe in Calvinism.

 

Hello, Though I "swam" the other way across the Tiber as an adult (That is, I became a Catholic), I would like to echo what Adonia said. In my experience, former non-Catholics often look fondly upon their non-Catholic upbringings. In contrast, many who leave the Church look back with loathing. One case I'd recommend, which involves a person leaving the Catholic Church, is the case of Frank Beckwith. Mr. Beckwith wrote a book called "Return to Rome" in which he recounts his leaving the Church. The book is titled as it is because he did finally return (leaving his post as the President of the Evangelical Theological Society at the time), but his book goes into some detail concerning the process he went through which had led him away from the Catholic Faith.

In Him,

Herbert

 

True, but getting into the RCC will just make it worse!

 

God commands us to be seperate and come out from among them!

 

He should read James White's books.

I left at age 14 but I've learned a ton since then.

The big issues are Papal Infallibility, Immaculate Conception, and Sola Scriptura. Those are the easiest to argue

 

There entire system stands upon Sacramental Grace!

 

It is not required for salvation and entering Heaven for a Catholic who is Born Again by reason of having given their life to Christ to leave the Catholic Church entirely as that would be adding another requirement onto salvation. And there is only one requirement for salvation and entering Heaven and that is for one to accept Jesus as their Savior and Lord and trust entirely in Him alone for salvation. The Mass is not entirely false as there are scriptural parts of the Mass. When I attend Saturday Vigil Mass at the local Catholic parish I tune out the unscriptural parts of the Mass, do not participate in the unscriptural parts of the Mass and only participate in the scriptural parts of the Mass. I also attend the local Baptist Church on Sunday mornings where I was Baptized on Sunday 21 May as a public profession of faith that I gave my life to Christ some 20 years ago during an Altar Call at a Non Denominational Church. A Catholic who is Born Again by reason of having given their life to Christ can attend the local Catholic parish on Saturday and then attend the local Evangelical Protestant Church on Sunday mornings. Nothing wrong with that.

 

While it is true that Jesus alone saves us, we also need to get out from any church so called that denies Pauline Justification!

 

It is not required for salvation to do what you stated.

 

Yes, NOT required to get saved, but God would want us to be in a Church teaching sound doctrines!

 

Did I state anything about a Catholic not attending a Baptist Church or any other Evangelical Protestant Church? No I did not. I stated that a Catholic who becomes Born Again by reason of having given their life to Christ can attend the local Catholic parish on Saturday and then attend the local Baptist or some other Evangelical Protestant Church on Sunday mornings. They would be getting sound doctrines attending an Evangelical Protestant Church on Sunday mornings. So it is totally superfluous if a Catholic who becomes Born Again attends both the Catholic and an Evangelical Protestant Church.

 

James White says neither Jesus, the apostles, hearer's of our lord, or immediate successors of the apostle believed in Sola Scriptura.

James Also admits scripture is not sufficient.

Sola Scriptura is a unbiblical false doctrine. There is tons of lines in the bible that says the bible is right, amen. tons that says the bible is true, amen. tons of lines that says the bible is important, amen. ZERO lines that say it is the final and only rule of authority.


Here in the video at 2:03:52, you will hear James White crash and burn as he has to admit Sola Scriptura was never practice of the church.

 

Your Calvinism is slipping. God only wants his elect to come to truth.


Does God love John Yurich?


I can say God loves You, Me and John and wants all three of us to come to the truth.

Can you say the same? Am I Elect? Does God love me?