Arminianism and Calvinism

Thanks for your detailed and specific response, SheepWhisperer

Men of flesh can understand the milk of the gospel, 1 Corinthians 2:14-3:3 Paul spoke to new Christians as "men of flesh" using "milk" therefore scripture teaches the unregenerate can understand and respond to spiritual milk, the fundamentals of the gospel.
I have no interest in changing subjects to Divine Knowledge. Please lets stay on topic.
I agree God did not choose foreseen individuals before the foundation of the world. Therefore Ephesians 1:4 teaches when God chose His Redeemer, He also chose corporately the target group of His redemption plan, believers in Christ.
I agree, Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all, and Christ is the propitiation or means of salvation for the whole world.
I agree professing Christ does not necessarily result in salvation, but we differ as to why. My view is only God accepts our faith and credits our faith as righteousness. And as you point out, it is God who knows our heart, and therefore His discernment is the only one that counts. Romans 4:4-5, Romans 4:23-24.

 

Is your theology, does not God foresee who will decide to come to hit in Christ, and thus faith preceded election?

 

Except that the unsaved.lost sinner cannot discern and receive the things of God unless the Holy Spirit revealks and enables Him to do such!
Preach the Gospel all day none saved apart from the workings of the Holy Spirit unto His elect in Christ...

 

I'm sorry this sentence is incoherent but if I am reading between the lines correctly the answer is no that is not my theology. Election with regards to salvation is strictly corporate. God chose to save those that receive and believe. John 1:12

 

I agree with everything until you said "unto His elect in Christ". One is not "in Christ"until they receive and believe. John 1:12

 

God grants to them their saving faith. All of us would by our sin natures always say NO to Jesus if left to ourselves by God.

 

I see your Yeshua1 translator is off line, it reads In you theology, does not God foresee who will decide to come to Him in Christ and thus faith preceded election?

 

Being chosen through faith in the truth proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that we have faith in the truth before God chose us individually for salvation.

 

'Men of flesh can understand the milk of the gospel, 1 Corinthians 2:14-3:3 Paul spoke to new Christians as "men of flesh" using "milk" therefore scripture teaches the unregenerate can understand and respond to spiritual milk, the fundamentals of the gospel.
I have no interest in changing subjects to Divine Knowledge. Please lets stay on topic. You asked me the question was it Biblical that "God chose foreseen individuals before the foundation of the world for salvation" and I simply said "unbiblical" Fine but you added ". unbiblical: However, God already KNEW who will be saved" I had no interest in addressing that assertion.
I agree God did not choose foreseen individuals before the foundation of the world. Therefore Ephesians 1:4 teaches when God chose His Redeemer, He also chose corporately the target group of His redemption plan, believers in Christ.
I agree, Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all, and Christ is the propitiation or means of salvation for the whole world.
I agree professing Christ does not necessarily result in salvation, but we differ as to why. My view is only God accepts our faith and credits our faith as righteousness. What is the point of splitting hairs there? I believe it this way.,......Romans 8:16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
And as you point out, it is God who knows our heart, and therefore His discernment is the only one that counts. Romans 4:4-5, Romans 4:23-24.​

I do not see our different view as "splitting hairs." Romans 8:16 is addressing our condition after we have been chosen individually and placed spiritually in Christ. Our difference deals with our faith before we are individually chosen and placed in Christ. It is God who either credits our faith as righteousness or not.

In summary, I did not see your view of Paul addressing new Christians as men of flesh, teaching unregenerate people have the innate ability to respond to the milk of the gospel. Both Calvinists and Arminians believe the unregenerate cannot respond to the gospel unless enabled by the Holy Spirit. The bible teaches otherwise as I have shown.

You did not say whether you agreed with my view of Ephesians 1:4.

Happily, we agree Christ died for all mankind.

 

Faith is not the gift salvation is.

 

I agree, a person must be "drawn" meaning persuaded or attracted by the gospel. It is one thing to say a person must hear the gospel, and quite another to say a person must hear the gospel and be supernaturally altered to hear the gospel by irresistible grace or prevenient grace. [Prevenient grace allows persons to engage their God-given free will to choose the salvation offered by God in Jesus Christ or to reject that salvific offer.}

We come close to agreement here, in that you seem to agree we were not individually chosen for salvation before creation.

Thanks for sharing with courage and clarity your understanding of how God saves us individually.

In summary, total spiritual inability is unbiblical, but we must be drawn in order to put our trust in Christ.
We were chosen for salvation through faith in the truth, not unconditionally.
Christ died for all mankind, becoming the propitiation or means of salvation for the whole world.
Once a person is saved, they are saved forever and cannot lose their salvation.

 

When Abraham believed, it was credited unto him for righteousness.[Romans 4:3] So, there is no dormant faith. As soon as one has it, they're saved. So, then not everyone has faith, either.[2 Thess. 3:2]

 

Exactly

 

No Van, for God has already elected unto salvation those He sees saved in Christ, and to that group God grants saving faith!

 

Its all part of the "salvation package" God grants towards his elect in Christ!