Filth from Pulpit Traumatizes Church Ladies

Outrageous! Music from the pit of Hell. "Well dressed," yes, just like Satan masquerading as an angel of light. I hope these teens receive punishment to the fullest extent of the law. Their parents may be culpable as well!

 

While that is bad, I find it not nearly as offensive as church members trying to justify why they vote for baby killers.

 

Sounds like an opportunity to, instead of lashing out with requests for punishment and justice to instead show love and grace; this was not a capital crime, no one was hurt, no property was damaged...just a thought.

 

Some real forgiveness would be very effective. Jesus received the ultimate trauma as Satan bruised His Heel. Jesus response: "Father, forgive them; they know not what they do."

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

 

Biblical forgiveness comes after repentance.

 

That would be the lowest standard set forth in scripture.
Jesus forgave those who crucified Him. He exemplified the higher standard.

 

I am sorry but that is not what scripture says. We are told to repent. Those people who crucified Jesus died and went to hell without receiving, believing and repentance.

 

I did not say they went to heaven or Hell. I said Jesus forgave them. The human Jesus forgave them. Whether The Father imputed or did not impute that sin to them is another topic of discussion.

Acts 7:60 reaffirms my stance.

 

If I can acquire the patience on this I will break it down for you later.

 

Feel free. There is a point when we are obligated to forgive, but Scripture does not forbid us from forgiving one who does not meet that standard.

 

Did the woman caught in adultery repent? She was forgiven first, then told to sin no more.

edit : actually, I don't care to argue. Just some food for thought though. Jesus forgave her before she showed any signs of repentance. Arguing otherwise is reading into the text. Also, I'm not a calvinist.

 

I would suggest that you reread that passage. When you reach the exact verse that specifically says Jesus forgave her copy and paste it here in this thread.

 

Or Sociopath's

 

People were hurt brother.. simply by these kids proactively imposing the
Will of the vial

 

"She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."

We can cross reference this to Romans 8

"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

So if you are suggesting Jesus did not forgive her, but also did not condemn her, does that mean that we in Christ have no condemnation, but also no forgiveness.

The only way the woman could even begin to "sin no more", would be to know that she was forgiven and had no condemnation. Jesus forgave many other times without directly saying "I forgive you". Sometimes he said "Get up and walk". The man at the pool of Bathsheba did not repent in the common sense of the word. He complained. "No man will help me get in the pool". Jesus says "get up". He does.

Zaccheus did not repent until after Jesus came to Him.

Sometimes we see "Repent and Believe the Gospel". I firmly believe repentance is a change of mind. But today most people see it as a change in action. The change in action follows forgiveness. The change of mind precedes it. So it depends on how you define repentance I suppose.

 

Jesus did not forgive those who crucified Him; He prayed to the Father to forgive them (Luke 23:34). We are not commanded to forgive those who will not repent. Read Luke 17:3-4. God does not forgive without repentance (Luke 13:3, 5). We are to pray for those who sin against us (Luke 6:28), but forgiveness comes with repentance.

 

Jesus did not forgive them but asked The Father to? Makes no sense.