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Statement of Faith Based on the Truth of Scripture - Please Read

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  1. christiang

    christiang Member

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    This Statement of Faith, found here Statement of Faith | Wisdom of God , generalizes most of the in depth studies found in my blog. Many of these statements here may be of shock to you, but please, I encourage you to dig further and read my studies and referenced scriptures to realize that I am actually telling the truth.
     
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    utilyan Well-Known Member
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    That web page statement of faith was put together by someone who doesn't know what they are doing.

    Your not telling your religion. Stated no authority. You don't believe in trinity, Hate America, and got ISIS colors.

    2 Peter 3
    16as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.

    There is a pedigree, who taught you and who taught him, and if it doesn't trace back to Jesus Christ it is fake.
     
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    Somehow accurately correlating prophecy with what was has happened in history, upholding the Law of God, stating that one should become humble by having little, and that giving to the poor is all related to ISIS? And you call me ignorant? How very intelligent and non-ignorant of you.
     
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    "Humble yourself means to sell your possessions in order to reduce yourself to little and thus become “humble”, hence why Jesus Christ taught, “sell your possessions”, and why the early assemblies sold their possessions and properties. No one can serve God and money. After humility, then comes exaltation, where Jesus Christ will greatly reward those who obeyed, not only with aeonial life, but also wealth and lands. Jesus Christ laid the ultimate example of humility, not even having a pillow to lay his head on, before he received exaltation to rule over all heaven and earth. Acts 2:45, James 4:10, 2 Chronicles 7:14, Psalm 138:6, Proverbs 3:34, Matthew 19:21, Luke 18:22, Mark 10:21, Luke 12:15, Matthew 6:24, Luke 16:13-14, Luke 14:33, Matthew 13:44, Mark 4:19, Mark 10:25, 1 Timothy 6:10, Matthew 20:16, Matthew 23:12, Deuteronomy 8:2, 1 Peter 5:6, Matthew 5:5, Revelation 2:26, Luke 19:17, 1 Corinthians 15:52-53, Philippians 2:7, 1 Corinthians 1:28, 1 Corinthians 1:26, 1 Corinthians 1:27-29, Matthew 6:31, Acts 4:34-35, Proverbs 30:8, Proverbs 23:4-5."

    I'll give you 5 bucks for your computer, Rich Man.
     
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    Clearly you do not understand what "sell your possessions" means, for you take it to mean sell literally everything, when it simply means to reduce yourself to necessities, hence why John the Baptist said, "if you have two tunics, give to the one who has none", or even why after the early assemblies sold possessions and properties, they still dwelled in houses after reducing themselves to little. Is my computer not an instrument to spread the truth and even to work? It is therefore, a necessity.
     
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    I never said you are not intelligent a person can be intelligent and still ignorant. I said whoever wrote the webpage is ignorant.

    If you wrote the page you first have to establish authority. Example What GOD says is Law, or The bible is the sole source of rules, ect.
     
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    No you don't need a computer. Same as saying is not a CAR, or a JET, or my own Yacht a necesity to "spreading the word". Can a billion dollars help you spread the word......get television stations? The excuses go on and on.

    You said: "Jesus Christ laid the ultimate example of humility, not even having a pillow to lay his head on,"

    It was a rock, btw.
     
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    I do not have to establish authority to simply repeat what others who HAD authority wrote, which we call the holy scriptures. The truth is the truth regardless of who speaks it. You seek to discredit me because you simply don't like what was said, which is why instead of offering up scriptures to try to contradict any statements I made, you seek to discredit me by reviling against me with insults, "ignorant", "ISIS", etc. No different than the Pharisees in the time of Jesus Christ, saying he had a demon.
     
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    Then if owning a computer is sin to you, since you equate it to owning a car or a jet, then sell yours, for your own belief condemns you, hence,

    So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves. (Romans 14:22 [NIV])

    ...and everything that does not come from faith is sin. (Romans 14:23 [NIV])

    But for someone who has already sold his possessions for the sake of the gospel, and keeps a thing or two for the sake of the gospel, and does not condemn himself for what he kept for the sake of the gospel, blessed is he.
     
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    I haven't insulted you, Your filling the blanks between the lines.

    I believe you are a good person, full of love, a kind heard, very intelligent, and I like you.

    Of course I don't like what you said thats why your getting helpful criticism.

    "HOLY SCRIPTURE" is that Quaran? A bible? a Torah? the bhagavad gita? the Diamond Sutra? The works of Rumi?

    You are not clear here.
     
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    Sell? I gave my computer away to mama. The computer I am on.....what makes you so sure its mine?


    Why do you think I want to buy your computer? I want to play video games.




    As far as character I'll accept being the devil if we can cut to the chase of the content of what your saying.

    I suggest you give your computer to Jesus. And just hold it for him till he comes pick it up.
     
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    For rhe definitive statement of faith all we need to do is look at either rhe Apostles Creed or the Nicene Creed. Both have been around for millenia, no need to look anywhere else.
     
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    Have you nothing better to do than to make a mockery of biblical teaching?
     
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    Well if I switch to your religion am I going to learn to constantly vilify others and have accusations as a foundation for my faith?

    Whats the benefit of any of us being anything like you?

    I look at your statement of faith its all about well these guys are wrong and this is evil and this over here is bad. Jesus is not God.

    Mickey Mouse is not God are you going to add that to your statement of faith?


    Why not start fresh with what you understand to be true, starting with most true thing maybe it is GOD, then your church or scripture.

    And then become a light to us ignorant folks.

    Imagine a small child reads your statement of faith, what does he gain?

    James 1

    26If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless. 27Pure and undefiled religion in the sight of our God and Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world.


    Among men would you praise the one who sacrifices himself to help others? Or is it this one who blames others, stomps on all the others and swears he is greater the all?


    Why would you not hold religion to the same standard? The best faith is not the one that spits on others not by a long shot.
     
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    Instead of focusing on how misguided that link was (not to mention blasphemous), I'll focus on the positives.

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    Well, I agreed with one thing, I think. That's good, right?

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    Then do not believe. Is it not said, "whoever has ears, let him ear"?
     
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    You don't need to learn that; you already know it.
     
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    I prefer the Bible itself!
    And the 1689 Baptist Confession after that!
     
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    So you come to a debate board to pick up people who completely agree with you?


    Your statement says:

    "The baptism of the holy spirit is the final seal of deliverance which perfects a man inwardly delivering him from the sinful nature he was conceived in, to where it then becomes impossible to ever sin again, hence “whoever is born of God does not commit sin”. This is what “circumcision of the heart” means and what being “freed from sin” means. "


    Can you name one person other then Jesus, who cease to sin?
     
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    I read through it.

    I believe your are of the Hebrew Roots cult an offshoot of the Armstrong Family - The World Tomorrow and/or the Radio Church of God.I may be wrong.

    You publicly deny the deity of Christ so you and I have nothing more to discuss.

    HankD
     
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