Featured Can one live sinless?

John answers these questions with two very different passages. At 1 John 1:6-7. and 3"6 we see that as born anew believers we are sinless, because all our sins, past, present and future have been taken out of the way. However, take a look at 1 John 1:8, which says we all sin. So how do we fit these two ideas into a coherent message?

From God's perspective, even though we think and do sinful stuff, we remain perfect and holy and blameless. However, we as individuals know (especially with the conviction of our indwelt Holy Spirit) that we sin. So we are to strive, to pick up our cross daily, and do our dead level bast to live like Christ - sinlessly.

 

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While we are certain to be glorified and sinless one day, that day has not come yet. rom7
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

God has predestined that all of the elect will be conformed to the Image of the Son...Romans 8;29,20
It is positionally a reality now ...but not yet complete in us until we have glorified spiritual bodies.

 

I am suspicious - or is it just me?

Wondering out loud if NeilOneB been here under a different moniker?

OK maybe I'm paranoid.

HankD

 

It seems as if you do not understand these verses you are quoting.
We are not sanctified by our own works being meritorious.
Both salvation and sanctification are by grace alone.

 

No....unglorified physical bodies with the motions of sin in them will not enter into heaven;
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

 

Sure, I live sinless. (Well, for a few hours at a time anyway)

 

NeilOneB,

A Christian who is an unreformed addict, has God's Spirit indwelling him.
No matter how many times he gives in (sins), he will be forgiven by confessing his failure
to God. (Matthew 18:21, 22. Luke 17:3,4. 1 John 1:9)

Being a Christian, he may have trouble sensing the Spirit's work in his life. His sense of conviction
is weak, and the Spirit is quenched. A hardened heart needs to become like flesh (Ezekiel). A seared
conscience needs to be healed.

I know a brother, who immersed himself in the Word, prayer, and hymns, and had sobriety for 35 days!
It was a moment-by-moment struggle. Unfortunately, he fell again. It is now 3 years later, and while he
continues the same spiritual disciplines, he is trapped again in the confess-sin-confess cycle.

Please pray for him.

 

It's not just 'any ol' sin' that's in view here, but a specific sin (returning to apostate Judaism) of which a specific people (professing Jewish Christians), of a specific time (the very generation that judged Christ to be worthy of death) were under pressure to do:

4 For as touching those who were once enlightened and tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
5 and tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the age to come,
6 and then fell away, it is impossible to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Heb 6

By 'turning back in their hearts to Egypt', they were in essence agreeing that that generation of Jews were correct in their judgement of Christ, thereby 'crucifying the Son of God afresh'.

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more a sacrifice for sins,
27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and a fierceness of fire which shall devour the adversaries. Heb 10

Again, this is not just 'any ol' sin', but was a falling away back to apostate Judaism, which if they did there remained only the judgements, soon to come upon that generation, that they were originally told to save themselves from:

40 And with many other words he testified, and exhorted them, saying, Save yourselves from this crooked generation. Acts 2

4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come forth, my people, out of her, that ye have no fellowship with her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues:
5 for her sins have reached even unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. Rev 18

 

Neil did you ever say you live a sinless life?

Just curious.

HankD

 

Neil you started this with an O/P asking us a question which you yourself refuse to answer.

Do you live a sinless life?

HankD

 

I answered the question biblically, I am holy and blameless and perfect in the eyes of God, but many of my thoughts and actions, even though I amt in Christ's propitiatory shelter, we would view as sinful. Read 1 John carefully!

 

If you are looking at 1 John for "propitiatory shelter" it isn't there.

In fact there is no such thing as "propitiatory shelter" found in Scriptures.

 

You would have to ask either his wife or kids on that!

 

Pay no attention to this false claim. When a person is transferred into Christ, they are transferred into Christ's propitiatory shelter.