Jesus Christ did not return to earth in the 1st century

Christ Jesus made it clear that His coming would be visible and that those who saw Him would recognize who he is. ('they shall see him whom they pierced'). He did not come as a 'comet'. Furthermore, the entire world would be involved and not just Israel & the Roman legions who invaded the land.

Kentucky redneck said, "I’m not interested in your vain reasoning, fella."

He isn't telling the truth, otherwise he would not have made several long and detailed replies to yours truly.

Jesus coming was to be (& will be) literal, physical, and visible to every person on earth. (Rev. 1:7) THAT did NOT happen in A.D. 70! We are being lied to by the preterists on this matter. The Lord was to touch down on the Mt. of Olives according to Zechariah 14:4. That very mountain is to split down the middle as the Lord makes his way down that mountain side and through the eastern gate...the next time in victory and not for death. He will sit upon the throne for a thousand years. THAT did NOT happen with that so-called 'comet' that Kentucky redneck mentioned in his last desperate attempt to save his theory. Nor did the Mt. of Olives split down the middle & each part in different directions. The geography of the area has not changed since Jesus was in Jerusalem.

"Thus there was a star resembling a sword, which stood over the city, and a comet, that continued a whole year." Josephus?

I could say 'So'? To me this is a 'maybe, maybe not'. But even if it did it does not match what the scriptures teach. Like I said already, Jesus was prophesied to come and the whole world will KNOW it and recognize Him. They will seek to hide from Him. The Jews will accept Him as Messiah and the nation will be saved from its enemies who will come from all countries. THAT did not happen in A.D. 70. The Jews were scattered throughout the world. The days of vengeance began and the kingdom was postponed as the Lord said it would be.(Matthew 21:43). Josephus never claimed that Jesus returned as Messiah and he himself never accepted Christ as the Messiah of Israel. The Bible says ALL Israel would be saved.

kyredneck said: I’ll defer to Gill:

“And then shall the tribes of the earth, or land, mourn; that is, the land of Judea; for other lands, and countries, were not usually divided into tribes, as that was; neither were they affected with the calamities and desolations of it, and the vengeance of the son of man upon it; at least not so as to mourn on that account, but rather were glad and rejoiced”

I defer to Zechariah: chapter 14;

3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, (UH, THE ROMANS WON THE BATTLE, FOLKS) as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

This also has NEVER happened in world history. No one saw Jesus in A.D. 70. No one saw Him fight for the Jews. No one saw the angels coming with him. No one saw the saints who are supposed to come with Him. There was no Antichrist for Jesus to conquer and Titus the legionaire did not claim to be God in the temple, nor did he begin a government which enforced a world economy with the number 666 forced upon all citizens.

Irenaeus (who was a follower of Polycarp who sat at the feet of the apostle John wrote in the mid-second century) says this:

"We will not, however, incur the risk of pronouncing positively as to the name of Antichrist; for if it were necessary that his name should be distinctly revealed in this present time, it would have been announced by him (*John!) who beheld the apocalyptic vision. For that was seen no very long time since, but almost in our day, towards the end of Domitian's reign." (in Against Heresies, book V chap. 30).

Domitians reign was from A.D. 81 to A.D. 96 (Wikipedia) Irenaeus also said:

"The fraud, pride, and tyrannical kingdom of Antichrist, as described by Daniel and Paul:
And not only by the particulars already mentioned, but also by means of the events which shall occur in the time of Antichrist is it shown that he, being an apostate and a robber, is anxious to be adored as God."

Why would early Christians be looking forward to the coming of Jesus if indeed He had already returned in the first century? That makes no sense at all.

Plus the Lord Jesus Christ was to return with lightning flashing, thunder sounding, and a trumpet blowing. (Mattew 24:27) THAT did not happen in or around A.D.70 or any other time in human history.

I've already quoted it in my last post on a previous thread but it makes no logical impression on the skeptics of Christ's future coming. Matthew 24

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming (not a comet!) in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

After this Jesus touches down on the Mt. of Olives, literally, physically, visibly. How do we know this? Because John said so. Rev. 1:7 combined with Zach. 14:4 as quoted above.

"7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

So from this verse we learn three important things: 1. everyone on earth shall see Jesus coming. 2; The Jews who rejected Him and pierced him will see him...(but from where since they will be dead then? Answer: from hell ---- just as did the rich man saw Lazarus in Abrahams bosom....in heaven long ago.) 3. The whole earth shall bewail His coming. They will shriek aloud! THAT did not happen all over the world in A.D. 70. The people in China, India, and Europe new NOTHING of what happened in Jerusalem in A.D. 70.... until the missionaries come to them many years (decades....centuries) later and gave them the gospel.

The teaching of Preterism such a ridiculous abominable & a lie & those who teach it are cheating themselves of the excitement, the anticipation & comfort promised by the Holy Spirit of the coming of the Lord because they have no desire seeing those wonderful promises Jesus made to us. Therefore be ye ready, fellow Christians.

Why do the preterists push such an unbelieving agenda when in fact the timing of the Lord's prophecies are more than sufficient to establish a future coming at the end of the world. Answer: Because they do not love His appearing.

2 Timothy 4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

 

I think I am going to have to stop as I intended earlier, for my fingers are starting to get numb from all the typing.

Maybe later. Come quickly, Lord Jesus.