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Anabaptists, Catholics and Continuing Extra-Biblical Revelation

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by thatbrian, Feb 22, 2018.

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  1. OfLivingWaters

    OfLivingWaters Active Member

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    Maybe you are right, but some things are self explanatory. If mocking you, and you are standing upon the Word you are then a mediator between him and Christ
    me·di·a·tor
    ˈmēdēˌādər/
    noun
    noun: mediator; plural noun: mediators
    a person who attempts to make people involved in a conflict come to an agreement; a go-between.
    However,there is one mediator between God and man,A Call to Prayer 1Timothy2:4-6
    …4who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6who gave Himself as a ransom for all—the testimony that was given at just the right time.…
    but all who follow Christ are many mediators between man and Christ. john20:20-22
    Jesus Appears to the Disciples
    …20After He had said this, He showed them His hands and His side. The disciples rejoiced when they saw the Lord. 21Again Jesus said to them, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent Me, so also I am sending you.” 22When He had said this, He breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.…

    If you claim to be called by Christ and it is to be found true, then he mocks Christ who you come in behalf of. Pride is the only thing that refuses to see truth. Scripture clearly states we receive spiritual gifts and we must strive for them. There is no interpretation needed. Interpretation is for the parables and the mysteries and riddles of God, not emphatic, direct statements which clearly mean what is said.
    My approach is directed , I do not mince words, I believe he mocks scripture, whether intentionally or not. Pride is apparent.
     
  2. delizzle

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    I agree for the most part. But I think we need to be sensitive to the fact that the theological beliefs and positions of thatbrian and TCassidy are the product of many years of conditioning from their denomination. If a lie is told by enough people over an extended period of time, it is quite easy, almost inevitable, that the person will at some point believe it.

    I try to be sensitive to the fact that most people who hold to a denomination's beliefs do so simply because they were indoctrinated since a very young age. They simply believe what their denominations tell them to believe. So for some, to challenge their theological convictions is to challenge their worldview. That is why 1 Peter 3:15 says:

    But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,
    1 Peter 3:15 NIV
     
  3. thatbrian

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    For starters, when we understand the fruit of the Holy Spirit as one, we avoid the error of crediting to the Spirit something that we are naturally gifted with. In other words, ALL of the fruit is present ALL of the time, when the Holy Spirit is at work. That is not to say that there are not degrees along a spectrum, due to various reason, but the point is, the fruit come in a package; therefore, authentic Spirit demonstrates the entire list.
     
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    My apologies. He is on ignore, so I didn't see that you had quoted him.
     
  5. OfLivingWaters

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    This is always the case when people are being admonished for false theology or whatever other false thing. Admonishment is to be strongly corrected,Putting on the New Self Colossians 3:15-17
    …15Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, for to this you were called as members of one body. And be thankful. 16Let the word of Christ richly dwell within you as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to God. 17And whatever you do, in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him.…
    ad·mon·ish
    ədˈmäniSH/
    verb
    verb: admonish; 3rd person present: admonishes; past tense: admonished; past participle: admonished; gerund or present participle: admonishing
    warn or reprimand someone firmly.
    I have read many of thatbrian's post, he is the one who is quick to insult, berate , assume things about people. That is self righteousness, not the righteousness of God.Being corrected in wisdom is not pleasant but rewarding if one heeds the correction one can only grow stronger when humbled. What disrespect did I show him? I gave him a mirror that he may see his own.And as for gentleness, which you imply I was not showing, no matter how gentle the approach, the Word is a sword to those whose spirit is not right with the Lord, gentleness can be relative. My spirit is humble to the truth and I am gentle in God. People who are in Christ are not persecuted in Christ because they are not gentle, its simply because of what they believe.
    What did you perceive to not be gentle? Keeping in mind what admonishment is of course.
     
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    Would the fruit of the spirit be like a cluster of grapes? Same fruit but in a cluster of individual fruits?
     
  7. TCassidy

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    By the convicting ministry of His indwelling Holy Spirit through the reading of the word of God, which was then confirmed by the local, New Testament Bible Believing church I was a member of after an extensive examination.

    2 Tim 4:2 preach the word; be urgent in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with all patience and teaching.

    See above.
     
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    What denomination is that?
     
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    Good analogy!
     
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    Well, now that delizzle has said he or she is a minister of Christ,
    I will test according to 1John4:1-6
    1 John 4:1-6
    4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 and every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

    In these verses John says, on must confess Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. He says this because John knows Christ is God, begotten and not made. So, where is the first of this confessing? It is done by two at the onset and inception of the faith It is the confessing of the Ark of the New and everlasting Covenant, the Incarnation. When did God become flesh and where is the first confessing, and what is the confessing that all believers must embrace?
     
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    I assume in your case Baptist, being that you are on a Baptist forum. But regardless, my statement can apply to any denomination. Many members of my family are Roman Catholic. If I asked them why they are Catholic, it is simply because they were born into a Roman Catholic family. If I asked them why they believe Roman Catholic doctrine, they would say because they are Catholic. They truly believe that the Catholic Church is the one true church because that is what they are told to believe. The same can be said for all denominations. In this case, Baptist.

    First, I acknowledge that I don't know you or your church experience. But statistically speaking, you more than likely were born Baptist, raised Baptist, attended a Baptist Seminary, taught at a Baptist Seminary, and preached in a Baptist church. So it is completely understandable why you are so resistant to any opposing view. It is because challenging your theological beliefs is to challenge your worldview and all that you believed to be true since you were very young.
     
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    So, God did not call you? Your church called you because you demonstrates the traits desirable for ministry?

    So I will ask you again, who told you that you were called to ministry?
     
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    Is "Baptist" a denominational name or a doctrinal identity? If a denominational name, which Baptist denomination?

    Alliance of Baptists
    American Baptist Association
    American Baptist Churches
    Association of Reformed Baptist Churches of America
    Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists
    Baptist Bible Fellowship International
    Baptist General Conference
    Baptist Missionary Association of America
    Central Baptist Association
    Christian Unity Baptist Association
    Conservative Baptist Association of America
    Continental Baptist Churches
    Cooperative Baptist Fellowship
    Enterprise Association of Regular Baptists
    Free Will Baptist
    Full Gospel Baptist Church Fellowship
    Fundamental Baptist Fellowship Association
    Fundamental Baptist Fellowship of America
    General Association of Baptists
    General Association of General Baptists
    General Association of Regular Baptist Churches
    General Conference of the Evangelical Baptist Church, Inc.
    General Six-Principle Baptists
    Independent Baptist Church of America
    Independent Baptist Fellowship International
    Independent Baptist Fellowship of North America
    Indian Bottom Association of Old Regular Baptists
    Institutional Missionary Baptist Conference of America
    Interstate & Foreign Landmark Missionary Baptist Association
    Landmark Baptists
    Liberty Baptist Fellowship
    Macedonia Baptist World Missions
    Mainstream Baptist Network
    National Association of Free Will Baptists
    National Baptist Convention of America, Inc.
    National Baptist Convention, USA, Inc.
    National Baptist Evangelical Life and Soul Saving Assembly of the U.S.A.
    National Missionary Baptist Convention of America
    National Primitive Baptist Convention of the U.S.A.
    North American Baptist Conference
    Old Regular Baptist
    Old Time Missionary Baptist
    Original Free Will Baptist Convention
    Primitive Baptist Universalists
    Primitive Baptists
    Progressive National Baptist Convention
    Reformed Baptist
    Regular Baptist
    Roger Williams Fellowship
    Separate Baptist
    Separate Baptists in Christ
    Seventh Day Baptist General Conference
    Southern Baptist Convention
    Southwide Baptist Fellowship
    Sovereign Grace Baptists
    Two-Seed-in-the-Spirit Predestinarian Baptists
    United American Free Will Baptist Church
    United American Free Will Baptist Conference
    United Baptists
    Unregistered Baptist Fellowship
    World Baptist Fellowship
    Worldwide Baptist New Testament Missions

    Association of Fundamental Baptist Churches of Northern California
    Association of Independent Baptist Churches of Illinois
    Baptist General Association of Virginia
    Baptist General Convention of Oklahoma
    Baptist General Convention of Texas
    Dakota Baptist Association
    District of Columbia Baptist Convention
    Empire State Fellowship of Regular Baptist Churches
    General Baptist State Convention of North Carolina, Inc.
    Inter-Mountain Baptist Fellowship
    Minnesota Baptist Association
    Minnesota Baptist Conference
    Mountain States Baptist Fellowship
    New England Evangelical Baptist Fellowship
    Ohio Valley Association of Christian Baptist Churches of God
    Southern Baptists of Texas Convention
    Wisconsin Fellowship of Baptist Churches

    ???????
     
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    Gal 5: 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

    Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
     
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    Nope. Born into a Crazymatic spiritually dead mainline denomination.

    Nope. See above.

    Please do not lie about what I said.

    Please do not lie about what I said.

    I clearly said (God called me) "By the convicting ministry of His indwelling Holy Spirit through the reading of the word of God, which was then confirmed by the local, New Testament Bible Believing church I was a member of after an extensive examination."
     
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    Like I said...baptist. Could be any of them or none. The statement remains the same regardless.
     
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    So which one? They are all different. Some are cessationist and some are not. Some are pretty straight forward orthodox and some are so far out in left field even God has trouble finding them.

    So, which one do you assign my brain washing to?
     
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    So you read the Bible and became convinced that you were called to ministry? For the record, I am in no way questioning the legitimacy of your calling. The point that I am making is that unless you find a passage that specifically says "TCassidy will be a minister and professor", you cannot honestly say that the Bible is the only source of God's word. It doesn't matter if the Holy Spirit inspired, prompted, illuminated, or audibly told you or the Church. The point is that your calling came from God and your calling is not to be found in the bible. Thus it is in some regard "prophetic" because God communicated to you or your church that you were to serve in ministry.

    Which brings us back to the point about prophecy. If God is able to communicate to you or your congregation that you are to serve in ministry, why then is it not possible for God to communicate other messages?
     
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    That is not what I said. Why do you think you have to lie about what I said? Why does the truth frighten you so?

    Of course you are!

    That is pure nonsense! "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved." Because it doesn't say "TCassidy" or "delizzle" does that mean neither of us can be saved? What utter nonsense!
     
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    It doesn't matter, statistically speaking, people tend to hold to the theology they are surrounded by. That is a statistical fact.
     
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