I Believe the Doctrine of Unconditional Election,

Contrast that with those Charismatic heretics such as kenneth Copeland and benny Hinn who claim Jesus showed up, and they acted like he was their bro, like a fellow frat brother!

 

2 bad ones would be Elect in the Son, and Chosen but Free!

 

If you are going to embrace 'Calvinism' and monergism and predestination and a 100% Sovereign Grace sotierology ... which I do ... then one can not realistically expect to avoid questions (accusations) of Double Predestination and a 'MEAN' or 'UNFAIR' or 'UNLOVING' God being hurled against those beliefs. To some extent, God cannot duck some of the charges 'sticking' without giving up the right to call himself Sovereign. Even Paul responds with a non-response (from a human logic perspective) of "Who are you to ask God to explain himself?"

So on behalf of Arminians everywhere, I respond to your comment with the obvious ... "What about those who are not His own? What happens to them? What is God's loving will for them?"

 

Hill will be honoring their "free will"

 

False Dilemma

 

You're sounding like the disciples that want to call down fire on another human being. God does desire to show mercy, and shows mercy to all who will call upon Him to be saved.

The Condition God Puts on those who He saves are that they are Found "In Christ". God elected His Son as the Savior of the World.

 

Good afternoon, my brother!

Sorry, maybe i did get the wrong impression.

Yes, all deserve divine Justice.

 

I am well, thank you!

God's not fair, He's Just. I believe we serve a God of reason and logic. He sets the parameters, we do not set the parameters on Him. That being said, All stand condemned before Him. He saves who He wills. All who call upon the Lord to be saved will be. I do not believe in a pre-existence, therefore, i do not believe God pre-ordained a certain "5" to be saved. I do not believe the Bible even broaches the Subject in the sense that God pre elected people. I believe Christ is the "Pre-elect" One. Just like Isreal (as a nation) was the "Pre-Elect" one to Execute God's Will. "In Christ" is God's Divine Justice Satisfied. and Those who are Found "In Him", upon Belief in Him, are Married (Spiritual Union) With the Elect One. In Christ is the family of God just as "in Israel" was the people of God. Christ fulfills all things--Israel was the disobedient Servant of God, Christ is the Obedient servant of God. In Adam all die. In Christ all live. Christ is the Supreme Elect one who carries out the Will of God. All who believe on Him shall be Part of the Divine Economy of God; The Kingdom of Heaven.

 

Well, God Showing Mercy is only Possible because He is the "Just and the Justifier" as a result of Christ's Work on the Cross. God showing Mercy to anyone is Unjust in the Sense of His Supreme Justice. He does not let the wicked Go Unpunished. So you ask a question that needs to be unpacked.

 

Sincere Question

Unfortunately, I’m sitting outside of the mall in Hot Springs, AR. waiting on my wife. I am not at my office.
I know I have Geisler’s book, I would have to look at the titles of the rest.

 

@thatbrian

This article speaks to what i'm saying (i believe)

Ligonier Ministries

 

If one is presenting from a non-Cal viewpoint, then your post is well stated.

The Cal. thinking that well stays within the Scriptures presents that the gospel response is not limited merely to two choices.

Remember the parable of the sower and seed.

The seed (Word of God) was spread indiscriminately (to all).

His word is always effective, in spite of the non-cal humanistic driven consideration of it being ineffective.

What those would consider as being ineffective is more often actually effective in confirming that person as not prepared soil. (The word will never return void - without fruit)

It is also erroneous to assume that God does not expect results from the call that is made to all people to repent and be saved.

As God appoints so there is a gathering of the saved.

One must remember, It is not man that has limited the effectiveness of the dirt, it is God that chooses from all (of the Father's creation) those made available (prepared) to receive the seed that grows to harvest.

God purposes some to be shallow, stoney, the path, the desert, the and all other types that have neither nutrition nor water to sustain the Word.

And what manner of man is it that actually is so puffed up as to question God?

 

You and I agree, all men, in their natural state, are the enemies of God.

Do all men make a conscience, unbiased decision to:
1) Accept God's offer of reconciliation, resulting in eternal life, or
2) Reject God's offer of reconciliation, resulting in eternal death?

All things being equal, why would any rational man, being aware of the choices and the results of each, would choose death over life.

There must be some irrational, spiritual influences at work here!

Are, do you believe the decision is a result of the free-will of the individual?