The "weight of scripture" points to the reality of "falling from Grace" - not OSAS

bluejx · Apr 7, 2018

Pastor_Bob said: ↑

I do not have the time to comment on each of these passages, so I'll just comment on this one passage that seems to be a proof text for the IHTKMS* crowd.

A simple cross-reference of Galatians 5 and Acts 15 will show that Paul was describing the results of the Jerusalem conference on legalism (actual legalism - not what is being accused of legalism in our day). These new Jewish converts were being pressured to continue keeping the law. The Gentile converts were being told that they had to be circumcised to be saved.

Paul clearly denounces this legalistic false ideal and tells them that, if they go back to a life of trying to please God by once again keeping the law, then, "Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law..." If you are able to be justified by your own good works or observance of the law, then Christ's sacrifice was unnecessary.

He goes on to say, "ye are fallen from grace." He DID NOT say, "you have lost your salvation." In context, he is CLEARLY teaching that they have fallen from applying the doctrine of grace to their lives and have gone back to the doctrine of law-keeping. At no time did Paul tell them that were no longer saved.

Many evangelicals are mistaken on what Paul meant by law. He actually established a dichotomy between the law of Moses and the law of God. In Romans 7, for instance, he says the law and commandment is holy just and good and ordained unto life. Later he tells the Corinthians that circumcision (law of Moses) and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is keeping the commandments of God, (see 1 Cor. 7:19).

Of course one is not saved by keeping either law but we must be careful not to promote antinomianism. Paul certainly did not.

* I Have To Keep Myself Saved
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BobRyan · Apr 8, 2018

Yeshua1 said: ↑

None can snatch them out of the Fathers hand, Jesus declared that as being emphatic, "no. not one"
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no one snatch "who" out of the Father's hand?

Hint: Detail matters.

The detail you keep deleting from Christ's teaching in John 10 says it is 'those who hear my words and follow Me" -- not your much-imagined "those who live in rebellion against My word" --- and we both know it.

The text you so fear to quote in John 10 --- keeps coming back to bite you.

Squire Robertsson · Apr 8, 2018

As the OP is now banned this thread is now closed.

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