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Ignominy?

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Pastor_Bob, Apr 18, 2018.

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    Proverbs 18:3 When the wicked cometh, then cometh also contempt, and with ignominy reproach. (KJV)

    I am curious why the translators used the word "ignominy" here when the Hebrew word "qalown" is translated most other times as "shame." Is there a unique difference in the two words that the translators are trying to bring out?

    The ASV and Darby both use the word "ignominy;" so, this is not solely a KJV issue.
     
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    Ignominy places the stress on "humiliation". At state of being .....not an emotion. It is a specific type of shame. Whereas shame can mean ignominy or it can refer more to the emotion caused by guilt.

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    My guess is that comes from the Vulgate, since it's not in earlier English translations (from my limited research).

    impius cum in profundum venerit peccatorum contemnit sed sequitur eum ignominia et obprobrium
     
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    קלון means "shame" and "ignominy" means "public shame or disgrace."

    "Ignominy" is not a word you hear every day, but it does accurately translate the Hebrew word.

    And rsr is on the right track. "Ignominy" came into English in the opening years of the 16th century from Latin (the earliest use of the word in English I can find is 1530).
     
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