Celebrating Christmas is an Insult to Christ

Several points:
1) God never instructed to do so.
2) Apostles never celebrated Christmas
3) The Date is exactly same date for the Birthday of Horus, Egyptian god.
4) The Date cannot be the birthday for Jesus biblically
5) having Christmas Tree which is Ever-Green Tree is exactly the same custom shown in Kings and in Jermiah and elsewhere, for paganism.
All the people claimed at that time they worship Jehova, but did such paganism.
2 Kings 17:33
They feared the LORD, and served their own gods, after the manner of the nations whom they carried away from thence.

 

But he also did not forbid it.

An argument from silence, just because it is never mentioned does not mean that it never happened. The Bible never pretends to be a complete Historical account.

So, it also happens to be the birthday of many people. Despite the coincidence in dates no Christian church is honoring Horus on December 25th.

Again, so what?

No it isn't, there were only warnings against the carving and decorating of wood as an object of worship. No Christian is engaged in worship of a tree simply because they put some decorations on it.

 

You can continue your pagan worship. I can continue to preach the truth.

Repeatedly I said I never mentioned people worshipped the Trees, but said they worshipped gods under the Trees or celebrated pagan god beside Green Trees.

 

If you were really interested in only asserting truth, this thread would have ended a few pages ago. But, you persist in condemning those who don't believe as you do of idolatry.

 

What truth? You haven't written any truth and your accusation of me being a pagan stands in witness of your falsehood.

Then you are wasting words because neither I nor anybody else here or any other Christian I know is worshiping an Asherah, Horus, or any other pagan god by, under, or in any proximity to a tree of any sort. Unless, of course, you are saying Jesus is a pagan god and I would hope for your sake you aren't.

 

Even though you are calling Jesus beside the Green Tree, that is exactly the same manner as Israelites did when they worship Asherah, and therefore such manner has never been mentioned as way of worshipping or praising Lord Jesus.
I have met so many people who know the problems with Christmas and do not celebrate it either, because of its pagan origin.

 

No one calls Jesus beside anything. All Christians call Jesus above everything. This is true of those Christians who decorate their homes with traditional Christmas decor.

 

I call Jesus without having such Green Trees, which were often used for pagan worship.

 

Good for you, I applaud you. That doesn't in any way support your claim that a person who has a Christmas tree is engagin in idolatry. In fact, in this entire thread, you have failed with abundant misery to make that claim.

 

You have failed in understanding what I have posted so far! Please repeat to read them!

 

I have read your posts with complete objectivity, in their entirety, with an open mind, and with comprehensive understanding. Again, no where in this thread have you been able to support your claim with scripture, or anything else.

 

If you don't understand them they are not useful to you. Let the other blessed readers read them.
You don't have to understand them!

 

I understand them completely. They're not only useless, they're false scriptural claims.

 

If you don't accept them, it is up to you. Please leave me to post what I believe.

 

What you believe is not scripturally supportable. If you want to refrain from traditional Christmas commemoration, that's your sovereign right and conviction, which I will, and do, support 100%. But do not attempt to pass off your conviction as mandatory doctrine for all Christians. In that area, you have failed abundantly and repeatedly.

 

I will preach the Truth all the time available for me. Do you want to restrict my freedom of Faith protected by Constitutional Laws?

 

No, I staunchly guarantee your freedom of faith as protected by Constitutional laws. But this is a privately run site, so your expression of freedom of faith is a privilege granted to you by the moderators.

Now, as far as what you post, if it's wrong, it will be challenged. Your claims on this thread have been scripturally unsupportable, and must hence be deemed false doctrine if you cannot support your claim with scripture.

 

QUOTE]Originally posted by Johnv:

I esteem the day out of reverence, respect, and reflection of the birth of my Lord and Savior. Paul in the NT permits each individual to esteem one day over another, or no day over another, as s/he sees fit. My celebration of the day, and customs surrounding that, are by no means scripturally wrong. [/QUOTE]

I believe you do as you say JohnV. Who esteems your birthday on your birthday? And can you name any that esteems your known birthday a couple months after the fact? If so, what do you think of that (or those) person?

We differ in our approach and making connections, and a mis-connect brings contridiction. I am not judging, just as Paul is not judging here; just exhorting and telling them they don’t understand? Galatians 4:9-11, ”But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? 10. Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. 11. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.”

We can see here that Paul is speaking to the Jew. They are no longer under the law, and they could not see their error of going back under the law of observing days, etc. People want to do something and these Jews wished to go back observing “Holy Days” again. Paul says, you don’t understand, and I am afraid of you. You are not listening to me, but to men, and all my labor has been in vain

When we drop down to verses 30 and 31, Paul says get out from under the bonds of “law keeping”, such as Holy Days, Months, times and years. Notice he refers to them as “children”. These are “babes” in Christ, and as long as they continue observing, or worshipping a “day” they will remain “babes”, for they are not free of the law after all.

That brings us to your reference to Romans 14:5-6, ”One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.” The children and the grown-ups are both included here. Paul shows the “babe” esteems “one day” above another, and regards that day to the Lord. The other that has grown regards everyday to the Lord, including the case today of Christmas, but does not regard it above any other day of the Lord. God is Lord of all, including all days.

The “day” Paul may be referring to is perhaps the Sabbath of the Old Testament, for Paul in preaching the Body of Christ, and never connects the Gentile (Christians) in the Body of Christ with the Sabbath. The Sabbath “day” was a sign between God and Israeli as seen in Exodus 31:13-17. So when we match this with Galatians “"Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years, we see the observer that wishes to observe days, wishes to be under a “law”, observing some day they believe to be holy.


I agree with you that you see nothing wrong, and in faith attribute December 25 to be His birthday. Please understand I am exhorting, and not judging, for I have scripture on my side that Jesus didn’t tell us to make a Holy Day to Him. He would have made this known to us, but He didn’t. Since Jesus did not request, or command, we remember Him on His birthday, and the Holy Spirit does not allow this vital information in the Bible, the conclusion must be made that it is “man” that has decided when Jesus was born. Faith is faith, but guesswork is guesswork. I cannot take which is Holy, Jesus, and chose a Holy pagan Day to place the baby Jesus at their feet. Christian faith, ituttut

 

I told you that you may call the Day the Day of Resurrection, but you refuse calling it as Resurrection Day, instead you want to stick to calling it as Easter Day (English version of Ishtar Day). Therefore it proves that your heart is actually worshipping Ishtar, while your mouth confess Jesus.

Ezekiel 8: 12
Then said he unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen what the ancients of the house of Israel do in the dark, every man in the chambers of his imagery? for they say, The LORD seeth us not; the LORD hath forsaken the earth .


Ezekiel 8:8
Then said he unto me, Son of man, dig now in the wall: and when I had digged in the wall, behold a door.9 And he said unto me, Go in, and behold the wicked abominations that they do here

Ezekile 8:14-16
14 Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz. 15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these. 16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.

Ezekiel 8:18
Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them .


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Dig out your a hole in the wall of your Heart, look into your heart, then you will see that you yourself is worshipping Ishtar, while your mouth is confessing Jesus. You are worshipping Ishtar, heading toward East, Sunrise. That's why you want to stick to EASTER .


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James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

[ January 06, 2006, 08:05 AM: Message edited by: Eliyahu ]

 

My direct family esteems my birthday on its day. My close friends esteem it on the weekend closest to my birthday. In fact, I'm celebrating my birthday this weekend with 35 people at a local restaurant. It's not actually the day of my birth, though.

Amusingly, I have one eccentric aunt who sends me a birthday card every April 11th. That's several months after my birthday. She's done this for years, despite several relatives correcting her. I don't mind, it's the thought that counts. I chuckle, appreciate it, and tell her thank you when I talk to her.

However, a more accurate analogy is my grandmother. No one knows her date of birth, because it was not documented (they didn't even know what year she was born). So my grandfather decided to celebrate her birthday every June 1st. My whole family did this every year until she died.