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Spiritual Circumcision

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    When the Lord Jesus “annulled” the Law” (of Moses) for His blessed Jewish nation (Heb 7:18, 19; 8:7; 10:9), He at the same time annulled all believers from “the law” (of sin), which originally manifested itself during the braking of the first command (Gen 2:16, 17; 3:6). In essence, the law, or principle (rule) of sin states that “the soul that sinneth, it shall die (Eze 18:4, 20; Rom 6:23). This is an affirmation of God’s original proclamation when establishing the law of sin in saying, “for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”

    Remember, born once—die twice (natural then “second death” - Rev 20:14); born twice die once (natural death). Jesus said, “Whosoever lives and believes in Me shall never die (e.g. the second death). Jhn 11:26




    Spiritual Circumcision

    God made an everlasting covenant with Abraham and his earthly seed, and instituted “circumcision” as the token, the outward sign of that covenant.

    “I will establish My covenant between Me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God. . . And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant between Me and you” (Gen 17:7, 8, 11).

    Throughout the centuries Israel proudly relied upon her outward, fleshly circumcision as her godly badge. But there was little or no spiritual circumcision—her heart was far from God (except a few—NC). The epitome of this problem was pointed out by the Lord Jesus: “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cumin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, justice, mercy and faith; these ought ye to have done” (Mat 23:23).

    Paul wrote to the Jews, “For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh; But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter” (Rom 2:28, 29).

    Before he became a Christian, Saul’s pride and reliance centered in his fleshly circumcision and his self- righteous law-keeping. “If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more; Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the Law, blameless” (Phil 3:4-6).

    Early in his Christian life Paul began to see beyond the fleshly externals, to the heart and spiritual reality of circumcision and the Law. He found nothing but death. “I had not known sin, but by the Law: for I had not known lust, except the Law had said, Thou shalt not covet. But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of coveting . . . For I was alive without the Law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died” (Rom 7:7-9).

    As a consequence, Paul found all of the Law to be death-dealing. “Oh, wretched man that I am! Who shall deliver me from the body of this death” (Rom 7:24). Not until then could he say from his heart, “I thank God through Jesus Christ, our Lord” (Rom 7:25).

    The external law and circumcision applied strictly to fleshly (carnal – Heb 9:10—NC) Israel—all was type and shadow of the coming reality in the Lord Jesus. “Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His Cross . . . Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ” (Col 2:14, 17).

    Paul wrote to all who are new creations in the Lord Jesus, “ye are complete in Him, which is the head of all principality and power . . . In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ” (Col 2:10, 11).

    The believer’s circumcision was not a fleshly ritual, but rather a spiritual reality. Not a part of the flesh was cut away, but all—and that not by hands, but by the Spirit through the Cross. “Ye are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you” (Rom 8:9).

    Our crucifixion with the Lord Jesus on the Cross was our circumcision from fleshly Adam. “Putting off the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ” (Col 2:11). His death unto sin cut the Lord Jesus free from the sin He assumed on our behalf, and in Him we are freed. “For in that He died, He died unto sin once: but in that He liveth, He liveth unto God; Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord” (Rom 6:10, 11).

    On the basis of His Calvary-circumcision, the believer is to exercise his faith in the fact, and thereby “put off (indefinitely stall—NC) concerning the former manner of the life of the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts” (Eph 4:22). Positionally cut off from the old man, he no longer has to depend upon or walk in the flesh. He is free to abide in the Lord Jesus; to walk in dependence upon Him, in the Spirit.

    That abiding by faith consists of putting on “the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness” (Eph 4:24). Putting off, turning from the carnal first Adam, and thereby putting on, turning to the spiritual Last Adam, the believer learns to abide in and fellowship with the Lord Jesus for his growth and service.

    Believers can now way from the heart, “We are the circumcision, who worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh” (Phil 3:3).

    “Any aspect of life or conduct which is undertaken in dependence on the energy and ability of the flesh (sinful nature—NC) is to that extent, purely legal in character, whether it be the whole revealed will of God, the actual written commandments contained in the Law, the exhortation of grace, or any activity whatsoever in which the believer may engage.” – L S Chafer

    “In man the law and the flesh always go together. The Cross was the end of both in the sight of God. The flesh was judged and condemned there; it was treated as a dead thing before God—dead and buried. And the law which deals with the flesh we are dead to. We have passed out of both: we are not in the flesh, and are no longer under the law (i.e. “law of sin” for the believer—NC).

    “The flesh being that in us with which the law grapples, and the flesh (the old man) being now by faith accounted a dead thing, there is no more for the law to lay hold of. We pass out of its province into another country and atmosphere—‘hid with Christ in God’ (Col 3:3).” – Wm Kelly




    Excerpt from MJS devotional for May 4:

    “True spiritual experience will result from our standing immovable in our position “in Christ.” All too often believers allow certain “experiences” to move them from the faith-ground of their objective position, and they are soon adrift on the sea of subjective feelings and unscriptural influences.” – MJS
    http://www.abideabove.com/hungry-heart/
     
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    Hello there... Peace of Christ.. Spiritual Circumcision is "Baptism in the Name of Jesus" Obeying His Holy Law, and Understanding, and Accepting He is "ONE ALONE"..This circumcision is Done by Jesus Himself ..Col. 2:11-13.....a Holy Spirit...Brother James...
     
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    Hi SMA, and thanks for your reply, with which I agree!

    God bless!
     
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    Hello Net. Peace of Christ.. You say>>>Paul wrote to the Jews, “For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh; But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter” (Rom 2:28, 29).

    Before he became a Christian, Saul’s pride and reliance centered in his fleshly circumcision and his self- righteous law-keeping. “If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more; Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the Law, blameless” (Phil 3:4-6)...

    Paul became a Christian when he got baptized in the Name of Jesus..Acts 22:16; and he also calls everyone to "IMITATE HIM"..Spiritual Judaism started at Acts 2:38-40 the New Covenant with the Literal Jews and Gentiles started there...The People of Jesus "The Christ"..That is what Luke says in Acts 5:40-42 nad he calls it the Good News??? What do you say about that?!!! Luke was a gentile who practised Literal Judaism and became a Spiritual Jew..a.k.a Christian...Spiritual Judaism a.k.a Christianity..not "Christendom"=The Romans Catholic church and the protestnt denominations..There is "NOT ONE" single person baptized in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit....WHY?!! Tell me please....Brother James....
     
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    To what part of your post are you referring?
     
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    Hello Chaplain.. Peace of Christ...You say>>>
    Excerpt from MJS devotional for May 4:

    “True spiritual experience will result from our standing immovable in our position “in Christ.” All too often believers allow certain “experiences” to move them from the faith-ground of their objective position, and they are soon adrift on the sea of subjective feelings and unscriptural influences.” – MJS
    None But The Hungry Heart
    [/QUOTE]>>>

    I see!!! You do not base your knowledge of the Holy Scriptures, you still use man made articles, I left that over 20 years ago, after I spent 50 years with the "Roman" Catholic church and the protestant denominations....The True "Spiritual Experiences" are when the Person has the Holy Spirit in him/her, the bible says to pray in the Holy Spirit = Jude 20; then in Romans 8:27 it says that the Holy Spirit intercedes "FOR THE SAINTS"=The New Spiritual Jews a.k.a Christians the people of Jesus the mediator of the New Covenant, The Holy Spirit doesn't listen or answers the prayers of the ones who do not belong to Him....Notice in your bible that it says that the Holy Spirit intercedes for the saints, who OBEY The Ten Commandments=Rev. 14:12 and are baptized in His Name = Acts 2:38-40 and Believe and Understand what "ALL BIBLES SAY" The God of Abraham is "ONE GOD 'ALONE"..Psalm 86:10 Brother James
     
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    I see!!! You do not base your knowledge of the Holy Scriptures, you still use man made articles, I left that over 20 years ago, after I spent 50 years with the "Roman" Catholic church and the protestant denominations....The True "Spiritual Experiences" are when the Person has the Holy Spirit in him/her, the bible says to pray in the Holy Spirit = Jude 20; then in Romans 8:27 it says that the Holy Spirit intercedes "FOR THE SAINTS"=The New Spiritual Jews a.k.a Christians the people of Jesus the mediator of the New Covenant, The Holy Spirit doesn't listen or answers the prayers of the ones who do not belong to Him....Notice in your bible that it says that the Holy Spirit intercedes for the saints, who OBEY The Ten Commandments=Rev. 14:12 and are baptized in His Name = Acts 2:38-40 and Believe and Understand what "ALL BIBLES SAY" The God of Abraham is "ONE GOD 'ALONE"..Psalm 86:10 Brother James[/QUOTE]
    It's okay, but I think our beliefs are too different for now to discuss much of what you've posted here, but I'l keep trying to understand what you share. God bless!
     
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    Hello Net Chaplain.... Peace of Christ...You say<<<It's okay, but I think our beliefs are too different for now to discuss much of what you've posted here, but I'l keep trying to understand what you share. God bless!

    I understand you. I do understand you...All I've done is print the scriptures, regarding of the Holy-Eternal Law its name says it..."ETERNAL" if you do no know nor understand the meaning of that word, then!! Houston we have a problem; Rev. 14:12 Says that the Saints=The New Spiritual Jews a.k.a Christians from Spiritual Judaism a.k.a Christianity, the doctrine of Jesus "The Christ";; not christendom the teachings of the Roman catholic church...Brother James
     
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    I agree here, but just not familiar with the rest! Sorry for now.
     
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    Hello Net. Peace of Christ...You say<<I agree here<<<< What is it that you agree with?!! This is how I learn, when people disagree or agree with my view points..I thank you billions for you patience...

    You say>>> but just not familiar with the rest! <<< And?!! What is the rest....You need to see that I was in most denominations and in the catholic church, I was so devoted to the virgins and saints, etc. etc. At the same time the denominations, such as the mormons and jehovah witnesses are quite different to the rest of the denominations, so!! I got confused, and still looking for the truth... But!! If I say that 2+2 is 4 and you say you do not agree with my view point, I would like to know the reason, I would ask you to explain that to me so I can see clearly...Don't give up on me so quick please....Brother James.....
     
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    That the Catholic Papacy system does not teach true doctrine. I see the same for Mormon, Jehovah Witness and quite a few other religions.

    Not familiar with phrases like "The New Spiritual Jews" and "Spiritual Judaism." To me, Judaism and Christianity are separate and cannot be mixed, i.e. Judeo-Christian. This phrase is common but misunderstood because it's not an actual religious system. If it is taken as an admixture of the two systems, it is alien to the "Word of Truth."

    Judaism is absent of Christ, and Christianity is nothing but Christ. Also so you know, I'm always willing to communicate in the Truth of the Word and I'll never "give up on you" if that's also your intent.

    God's blessing to you!
     
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    Hello There. Peace of Christ...You say>Judaism is absent of Christ, and Christianity is nothing but Christ. Also so you know, I'm>>>
    You are commiting a blasphemy by taking out the Name above Names, the "ONLY NAME" of the God of Abraham the Name of the Holy Spirit..The title Christ is when The Holy Spirit a.k.a Father Namely Jesus became human..
    You say<<<Judaism is absent of Christ,.

    You say<<Judaism is absent of Christ,>> Literal Judaism,. not Spiritual Judaism, the Judaism of the New Covenant.

    You say<<< and Christianity is nothing but Christ. <<<

    Read what Peter says>>> Acts 5:42 Day after day, in the temple courts and from house to house, the apostles never stopped teaching and proclaiming "THE GOOD NEWS", that Jesus "IS"-(Not was) The Christ..See! your theology doesn't click with the doctrine of Jesus the Christ, nor His apostles as I see in every post you post....

    You say>>> I'm always willing to communicate in the Truth of the Word and I'll never "give up on you" if that's also your intent.

    I thank you billions for that attitude, I am sure that I will learn something from you has I've done from others..Brother James
     
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    Hello Net..Peace of Christ...You say<<<Not familiar with phrases like "The New Spiritual Jews" and "Spiritual Judaism."

    The New Covenant was made with the Holy Spirit who comes in the Name Jesus..That is why we're called Spiritual, then Israel it is because Israel is the people of the God of Abraham for ever, for eternity...Read:

    1 Peter 1:5 You also like living stones, are been built into a "SPIRITUAL HOUSE" to be a "HOLY PRIESTHOOD", offering "SPIRITUAL" Sacrifices "ACCEPTABLE"=(2 Cor. 5:9) to God through Jesus The Christ.....See!!!!

    All the apostles were literal Jews, but! They were the first Spiritual Jews 'cause they were baptized with the Holy Spirit an by the Holy Spirit in the Name of Jesus, Obeying His Holy Law and Knowing He is "ONE ALONE"=(God is Spirit John 4:24 He is Holy Lev. 19:1-3 + 1 Peter 1:14-16...See!!!

    You say>>>To me, Judaism and Christianity are separate and cannot be mixed, i.e. Judeo-Christian<<<< CORRECT!!!
    CORRECT!!!, CORRECT!!!..."TO YOU"...Not to the God of Abraham or His apostles and His Church=His Saints=His People...See!!!Jesus "IS A JEW" and we are His people....

    You say>>This phrase is common but misunderstood because it's not an actual religious system>>>

    CORRECT!!! CORRECT!!, CORRECT!...But?! The Doctrine of Jesus the Christ is not, never was, never will be a "RELIGION"...See!!!!!!!!!

    You say>>If it is taken as an admixture of the two systems, it is alien to the "Word of Truth.">>>

    It is alien to "your truth" Not to Jesus's the Christ a.k.a THE REAL TRUTH....

    Brother James.....
     
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    Either we are discussing separate issues or we are misunderstanding one another, because Jesus, His Apostles and Paul instructed all involved in Judaism (Law of Moses; old Covenant between Israel and God) to abandon it for Christianity (to go from Law to Grace--Jews first then Gentiles). Jesus grew up in Judaism but abolished it after His resurrection.

    Blessings!
     
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    Helo Net. Peace of Christ...I'm sorry by not having answered you sooner, I got problems with the electricity in the house but I am here to continue our friendly talk....You say>>Either we are discussing separate issues or we are misunderstanding one another, because Jesus, His Apostles and Paul instructed all involved in Judaism (Law of Moses; old Covenant between Israel and God) ..CORRECT!! CORRECT! The Issue here is that God's Law or Jesus's Law is not, was not never will be Moses's Law...God's la was is and always will be the source or "RIGHTEOUSNESS". God's Law is the "WILL OF THE GOD OD ABRAHAM"= Deut.. 33:21 + Psalm 40:8, Paul says God's Law "IS"=(Not was) Eternal, Holy, Righteous.

    You say<<<to abandon it for Christianity (to go from Law to Grace--Jews first then Gentiles). ...Paul says in Romans 5:21 That "GRACE" should "REIGN IN 'RIGHTEOUSNESS"=(The Law)=Gal. 3:23 The Law was "PUT HERE "TO LEAD US" To Christ so we can be Justified, Sanctified and Purified...See! No Law..No Holiness, and without Holiness=(Without and Baptism in the Name of Jesus) Nobody will see the Lord...Heb. 12:14....See!!!! His Saints of Obey His Law..1 Cor. 7:19 + Rev. 13:12..SEE!!! The Grace of God was manifested (Made man Namely Jesus a.k.a the Christ) Titus 2:11 And this grace "COMMANDS US" To say "NO" To "UNGODLINESS"=Lawlesness, evilness, sinfulness, wickedness, etc.etc.. See! What the Saving Grace wants?!!!>>>

    You say>> Jesus grew up in Judaism but abolished it after His resurrection.<<<<

    He didn't abolished Literal Judaism, He created Spiritual Judaism a.k.a Christianity for His New People..= Acts 2:38-40 + Titus 2:11-15....See!!!!! I am sure you know that Literal Judaism is practised in all Literal Israel.....Brother James....
     
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