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Arminianism & Calvinism issue to split over?

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Mikey, Aug 2, 2018.

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  1. loDebar

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    I have presented this logically, even with more detail to help those understand.
    This statement clearly show misunderstanding and lack of logic in your understanding to consider Calvinism.
     
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    individual responsibility
     
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    Which all Calvinists woudl hold with!
     
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    They cannot, If believe in election , only saved because of God's choice.
    They believe they are special to God a favorite over all others.
    They call God a liar.
    Has there ever been a Calvinist who claim to be a non elect? fits with the theology.
    They reject scripture as to the situation of humans.
     
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    Limited atonement, God is not able to save? Christ is not able to cover ALL sin? a little God syndrome.

    Irresistible Grace If one cannot resist , God could just call everybody, then there would be no non elect?

    it is laughable to even be considered as truth. It is not a small error of degrees of the truth. It is completely man's ego to consider why they are the elect while others are not.
     
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    I said true, not correct or right.
     
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    Why were you saved? Did God first chhose to save you, or did you decide to finally accept God?
    And God favors His own Caovenant people, he has a relationship with just them, or is it the Brotherhood of Mna, God loves both saved and lost equally?
     
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    NO calvinist holds that the Cross was not sufficient to save all sinners, but we would hold that God intended to save his own from it! We ALL deserve hell, correct?
     
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    Sinners keep resisiting God, we just say that those whom God wills to be saved, shall indeed get saved!
     
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    And so may General Baptists complain when Particular Baptists call them ignorant. LOL!
     
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    Many who do not accept error as truth are called ignorant. an example is politics today

    Saying something is wrong does not show one ignorant at all.
     
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    God is not sufficient? God is not able ? He can't as He wants ? do you not see the problem?
     
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    NO calvinist would say God is not able, as His will will get done, its just that you presume to have Him wanting to save all lost sinners....
     
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    You are the one who does not understand what true Calviniosm teaches....
     
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    Correction of your thoughts is not a clarification on my part.

    Yes. Two are inseparable. The error of your ---ology is that you seek to have man assembling himself into a group for God. What we see in scripture is that God chooses for Himself a people from every tribe, tongue, and nation and that group is obviously made up of God's chosen individuals.

    This is a red herring. No one is debating that God puts people in certain places and times. What we are debating is the meaning of Romans 8:29-30 in which you seem to think that God predestines things when the text clearly is stating He predestines people. It says, "Those whom He...;" it does not say "That which He...." There is a difference.

    Nope. You can come to this conclusion only if you cut Romans 8:29-30 out of your Bible. The saved are chosen, predestined, called, justified, and glorified by God. The language is exceptionally personal. God is doing the action (which is in the Aorist tense in all five verbs, by the way) and He is doing these actions to people, not circumstances.

    Hamfisted might be a compliment at this point.

    That's debatable, but it isn't part of this debate.

    The Archangel
     
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    This statement displays an enormous ignorance.

    The Archangel
     
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    His ‘don’t know don’t care’ flippant attitude speaks volumes...
     
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    So, then, are you suggesting that Israel won some type of national "Survivor" competition in which God voted the Hittites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites off the island?

    The Archangel
     
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    proves both ignorance and apathy.
     
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    Sadly that’s how he views election. :(
     
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