1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Arminianism & Calvinism issue to split over?

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Mikey, Aug 2, 2018.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
Top Posters
Page 11 of 15
  1. Dave G

    Dave G Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2018
    Messages:
    5,858
    Likes Received:
    1,333
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Sin darkened our natures...we choose to sin and love it ( Romans 1:18-32 ).
    God doesn't make robots ( Romans 2:1-11 ).
    Man hates Jesus Christ and will not come to Him because we love our sin, and hate Him for commanding our repentance ( John 3:19-20 )

    Election is a fact of Scripture ( Romans 8:29-30, Ephesians 1:4-5, 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14, Psalm 65:4 )

    With respect, no, I'm afraid I don't, and I abandoned that way of thinking over 15 years ago when God started showing me the details of how and why He saved me. To me, Scripture very clearly teaches that He changed my heart ( the seat of my spiritual desires and affections ) at 12 years old, and changed my will towards Him in the process. Out of that changed will, I then chose to believe His words and follow His Son. :Smile

    But it wasn't always clear to me, and nothing was done against my will except for my desires to be changed. In other words, my sin nature was changed and my will then followed suit.




    May God bless you sir.
     
    #201 Dave G, Aug 4, 2018
    Last edited: Aug 4, 2018
  2. TCassidy

    TCassidy Late-Administator Emeritus
    Administrator

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2005
    Messages:
    20,080
    Likes Received:
    3,490
    Faith:
    Baptist
    So you believe everybody will be saved?
     
    #202 TCassidy, Aug 4, 2018
  3. TCassidy

    TCassidy Late-Administator Emeritus
    Administrator

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2005
    Messages:
    20,080
    Likes Received:
    3,490
    Faith:
    Baptist
    So you believe there is something about you that merits salvation without the sacrifice of Christ? What condition of perfection do you think you met?
     
    #203 TCassidy, Aug 4, 2018
  4. TCassidy

    TCassidy Late-Administator Emeritus
    Administrator

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2005
    Messages:
    20,080
    Likes Received:
    3,490
    Faith:
    Baptist
    If a lost man is free from sin so he can choose to be saved can the saved man be free from the Love of Christ so he is free to reject his salvation and be lost?
     
    #204 TCassidy, Aug 4, 2018
    • Useful Useful x 1
  5. The Archangel

    The Archangel Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2003
    Messages:
    3,339
    Likes Received:
    233
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Almost no Calvinist I know argues for a "robotic decision." The way I describe it is that God makes the unwilling willing.

    You have a real problem here... What do you do with the passage in which Jesus says to the Pharisees, "You are of your father, the devil."

    The Archangel
     
    #205 The Archangel, Aug 4, 2018
    • Like Like x 1
  6. TCassidy

    TCassidy Late-Administator Emeritus
    Administrator

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2005
    Messages:
    20,080
    Likes Received:
    3,490
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I have no choice but to believe it. The bible teaches it.
     
    #206 TCassidy, Aug 4, 2018
    • Winner Winner x 1
  7. loDebar

    loDebar Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2018
    Messages:
    2,913
    Likes Received:
    94
    Faith:
    Baptist
    If God doesn't want robots why would he elect us without our input?
    The Holy Spirit draws (convicts) us to Jesus for salvation which leads us to God.
    Those you think are elected to salvation are already saved and chosen for service.

    I think this whole Calvin thing is intended to minimize importance of the Holy Spirit.
     
    #207 loDebar, Aug 4, 2018
  8. McCree79

    McCree79 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2015
    Messages:
    2,232
    Likes Received:
    305
    Faith:
    Baptist
    That is not what Calvinism teaches.

    Sent from my SM-G935P using Tapatalk
     
    #208 McCree79, Aug 4, 2018
  9. loDebar

    loDebar Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2018
    Messages:
    2,913
    Likes Received:
    94
    Faith:
    Baptist
    no, you do not either. but Jesus death covered all SIN.
     
    #209 loDebar, Aug 4, 2018
  10. TCassidy

    TCassidy Late-Administator Emeritus
    Administrator

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2005
    Messages:
    20,080
    Likes Received:
    3,490
    Faith:
    Baptist
    If all sin is paid for how could anyone go to hell? Isn't hell, the second death, the price of sin?
     
    #210 TCassidy, Aug 4, 2018
    • Like Like x 2
  11. loDebar

    loDebar Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2018
    Messages:
    2,913
    Likes Received:
    94
    Faith:
    Baptist
    sure he did, that is what TUILP means . Election and thus salvation is not a choice of the sinner.
     
    #211 loDebar, Aug 4, 2018
  12. loDebar

    loDebar Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2018
    Messages:
    2,913
    Likes Received:
    94
    Faith:
    Baptist
    free will of the sinner to decide. The parable of the sower is a good example. The Gospel is spread some hearts received it some not.
     
    #212 loDebar, Aug 4, 2018
  13. TCassidy

    TCassidy Late-Administator Emeritus
    Administrator

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2005
    Messages:
    20,080
    Likes Received:
    3,490
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Not only don't you know what Particular Redemption teaches, you can't even spell TULIP! LOL!
     
    #213 TCassidy, Aug 4, 2018
  14. TCassidy

    TCassidy Late-Administator Emeritus
    Administrator

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2005
    Messages:
    20,080
    Likes Received:
    3,490
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Why won't you answer my question? If Christ atoned (paid for) all sin, then all sin is paid for so how could anyone go to hell? Isn't hell, the second death, the price of sin?
     
    #214 TCassidy, Aug 4, 2018
    • Like Like x 1
  15. McCree79

    McCree79 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2015
    Messages:
    2,232
    Likes Received:
    305
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I could just say "Why would he need us to choose Him if our souls is already His???" This statement makes no sense.




    Sent from my SM-G935P using Tapatalk
     
    #215 McCree79, Aug 4, 2018
  16. Dave G

    Dave G Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2018
    Messages:
    5,858
    Likes Received:
    1,333
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Ok, gents, it seems we're getting out of control. :Thumbsdown

    Rapid-fire posts are not getting anyone anywhere, IMO.:Cautious
     
    #215 Dave G, Aug 4, 2018
  17. loDebar

    loDebar Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2018
    Messages:
    2,913
    Likes Received:
    94
    Faith:
    Baptist
    yep I swapped limited atonement and irresistible grace.
     
    #216 loDebar, Aug 4, 2018
  18. McCree79

    McCree79 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2015
    Messages:
    2,232
    Likes Received:
    305
    Faith:
    Baptist
    That is not what you said. You claimed it teaches we are robots. Irresistable grace just changes our inclination. We choose God out of desire ......desire He has given us.

    Sent from my SM-G935P using Tapatalk
     
    #217 McCree79, Aug 4, 2018
    • Agree Agree x 1
  19. loDebar

    loDebar Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2018
    Messages:
    2,913
    Likes Received:
    94
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Eze 18:4

    Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

    Why have have Jesus die if God chooses the elect?
     
    #218 loDebar, Aug 4, 2018
  20. McCree79

    McCree79 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2015
    Messages:
    2,232
    Likes Received:
    305
    Faith:
    Baptist
    The scope of preaching is not the same as the scope of atonement. It was the gospel rejected, not the atonement.

    Sent from my SM-G935P using Tapatalk
     
    #219 McCree79, Aug 4, 2018
  21. McCree79

    McCree79 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2015
    Messages:
    2,232
    Likes Received:
    305
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Again, ask you self....if all souls are His, why do you have to choose to be His???

    You are walking towards universalism here.

    Does anyone go to Hell?

    Sent from my SM-G935P using Tapatalk
     
    #220 McCree79, Aug 4, 2018
    • Informative Informative x 1
Page 11 of 15
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
Loading...