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Featured Are most fundamentalists on the road to apostasy?

Discussion in 'Fundamental Baptist Forum' started by Logos1560, Aug 25, 2018.

  1. Logos1560

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    A brochure for A Congress for the Christian Remnant (October 3-7, 2018) to be held at Foundations Bible College in Dunn, North Carolina, stated that "the church on earth has entered into a wholesale apostasy and Fundamentalism is following in its wake."

    Perhaps only the few fundamentalists (a remnant) who may attend this Congress are suggested not to be on the road to apostasy.
     
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    I was in a KJVO Fundamentalist Baptist Church which taught this 50 years ago.
     
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    Link for Foundations Bible College
     
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    I don't think I've ever heard of this outfit. Seems this Foundations Bible College has roots in Pentecostalism? The "Remnant" idea is big in those sorts of churches.
     
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    Right. I found their doctrinal statements and they do leave room for the charismatic practices.
     
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    Dr. O. Talmadge Spence, the founder of Foundations Bible College, came from a Pentecostal background. I think that he had a degree from Bob Jones University although he also earlier attended a Pentecostal seminary that was in Greenville, SC. O. Talmadge Spence's 1989 book entitled Pentecostalism: Purity or Peril was published by BJU's Unusual Publications, and Bob Jones wrote a preface to his book. In this preface, Bob Jones stated that Dr. Spence was no longer a Pentecostal.

    The founder passed away, and his son H. T. Spence is now the president of the college. The president of the college is the pastor of Foundations Bible Collegiate Church. If I recall correctly, the vice-president Dennis Lowry has a Free-will Baptist background.
     
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    The founder of Foundation Ministries, O. Talmadge Spence, was strongly anti Charismatic and anti Pentecostal.

    Read "Charismatism: Awakening or Apostasy?" and "Pentecostalism: Purity or Peril?" Both are available on Amazon.com.
     
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    O. Talmadge Spence wrote: "My father Bishop Hubert T. Spence of the Pentecostal Holiness Church, certainly did identify himself with historic fundamentalism" (Pentecostalism: Purity or Peril, p. 14).

    O. Talmadge Spence wrote: "Early Pentecostalism was born in the line of the true mystical Christian pilgrim" (Pentecostalism: Purity or Peril, p. 14).
     
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    Thank you.

    The school's founder O. Talmadge Spence also wrote "A Pentecostal Speaks to Pentecostalists":

    books.google.com/books?id=dLSItgAACAAJ
     
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    I have a copy of O. Talmadge Spence's earlier 1964 book entitled The Quest for Christian Purity. This 1964 book has a foreword by Paul F. Beacham, president of Holmes Theological Seminary.

    In this 1964 book, Spence wrote: "We feel that the doctrine of Holiness as exemplified in the Discipline of the Pentecostal Holiness Church is the guardian of all other truths" (p. ix).
     
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    This is where I tripped up. What exactly does this sentence mean? is the "pattern" of glossolalia proper for today?
     
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    There's been those who have seen themselves as the Remnant for a long time now. I dare say if you asked the 17th century New England Puritans if they were the remnant. They would have told you of course we are.
     
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    But back to the o/p - is Christendom generally falling into apostasy including those characterized by "fundamentalism"?

    The scripture seems to indicate it.

    2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away (ἡ ἀποστασία - the apostasy with the definite article) first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

    1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
     
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    How does a baptist view the baptism of the Holy Spirit?
     
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    A one time event which occurred on the day of Pentecost.
     
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    Most/many Baptists do not use the terminology "the baptism of the Holy Spirit" for personal individual receiving of the Holy Spirit at regeneration.

    I believe a moderately corresponding terminology would be "the infilling of the Holy Spirit" although it is somewhat removed from what I think caused your "Huh?"
     
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    I think there were plenty of antichrists plus dogs & pigs in the first century. Such warnings & prophecies are of course very relevant to Christians of all generation down the ages.

    Paul in 2 Tim. 3 makes the same point -
    1 But mark this: there will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God – 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.
    That last instruction is to Timothy himself. There are many such warnings in the letters.

    The obvious danger for fundamentalists is complacency - we hold the truth, so the warnings don't apply to us. But do we have a zeal for the truth, for godly living, Gospel outreach, concern for the lost, etc.

    And is our fundamentalist theology truly Biblical? In particular, there are many divergent views on this forum as to Biblical theology. I reject the idea of the reestablishment of the state of Israel as a physical nation in the land promised to Abraham. Such doctrines have no basis in the teaching of Jesus & his Apostles, so indicate apostasy. [Please don't argue the case on this thread - there are plenty of others!]

    Other apostate doctrines may include infant baptism, a state church - which automatically includes the unconverted, modern prophets & apostles, priesthood of leaders, pop-style worship, decisionist evangelism, etc.

    Whether we should argue most or many, I think the OP is right to express serious concern.
     
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