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Featured The Statement on Social Justice & the Gospel.

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Revmitchell, Sep 4, 2018.

  1. Yeshua1

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    It seems to be taking the major priority of the Church as being the proclamation of the Gospel, and to not see it as being "into social injustice" Which is a great thing, and is getting the priorities right again!
     
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    This one seems very important.

    Sin
    WE AFFIRM that all people are connected to Adam both naturally and federally. Therefore, because of original sin everyone is born under the curse of God’s law and all break his commandments through sin. There is no difference in the condition of sinners due to age, ethnicity, or sex. All are depraved in all their faculties and all stand condemned before God’s law. All human relationships, systems, and institutions have been affected by sin.

    WE DENY that, other than the previously stated connection to Adam, any person is morally culpable for another person’s sin. Although families, groups, and nations can sin collectively, and cultures can be predisposed to particular sins, subsequent generations share the collective guilt of their ancestors only if they approve and embrace (or attempt to justify) those sins. Before God each person must repent and confess his or her own sins in order to receive forgiveness. We further deny that one’s ethnicity establishes any necessary connection to any particular sin.
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    Race / Ethnicity
    WE AFFIRM God made all people from one man. Though people often can be distinguished by different ethnicities and nationalities, they are ontological equals before God in both creation and redemption. “Race” is not a biblical category, but rather a social construct that often has been used to classify groups of people in terms of inferiority and superiority. All that is good, honest, just, and beautiful in various ethnic backgrounds and experiences can be celebrated as the fruit of God’s grace. All sinful actions and their results (including evils perpetrated between and upon ethnic groups by others) are to be confessed as sinful, repented of, and repudiated.

    WE DENY that Christians should segregate themselves into racial groups or regard racial identity above, or even equal to, their identity in Christ. We deny that any divisions between people groups (from an unstated attitude of superiority to an overt spirit of resentment) have any legitimate place in the fellowship of the redeemed. We reject any teaching that encourages racial groups to view themselves as privileged oppressors or entitled victims of oppression. While we are to weep with those who weep, we deny that a person’s feelings of offense or oppression necessarily prove that someone else is guilty of sinful behaviors, oppression, or prejudice.​

    I'd be very curious what Mohler's objection is.
     
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    Oy, 40 minutes to get the answers? Can you sum it up?
     
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    I know his ridiculous position. He is flat out wrong
     
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    The #wokechurch needs to go back to sleep.
     
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    Rev. Mitchell,

    Dear brother, that is mighty strong assertion! Can you give an explanation or exposition for all of your passion please?

    Please explain "his" position?

    sdg!

    rd
     
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    I see RC Sproul's widow Vesta is standing with John MacArthur in his latest controversy. Her name, along with Ligonier's President and CEO Chris Larson's, were just added in prime spots atop the roster of featured signers of the statement, right below the thirteen initial signers.
     
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    Sure, he wants to continue using the horrible term social justice which is rooted in marxism. While he and those in the SBC who use it may or may not be marxists the very use of the term has no excuse and I will never trust anyone who uses such in an affirmative way. Further, as I have listened to different conversations around the SBC and have engaged quite a few people on this topic of social justice I see at a minimum parts of the marxist form of it. Such parts include the claim of mass white superiority and the oppression of black people. Even in the convention. There are any number of others. Mohler denies the marxist form of socialism as a whole but then supports at least parts of it. He has lost my trust because of this.

    He aslo addressed the claim that social justice is a gospel issue. He claims it all depends on what one means by this. He claims it isnt if it is tied to how to get saved but it is if it is tied to how a saved one lives. Like with social justice he claims in one hand it is wrong and in the other it is necessary. Now with whether or not it is a gospel issue he does the same thing. In one hand it is and in the other hand it is not. Sorry AI don't buy it.

    Christians have no business getting involved in social justice. While there are people who suffer at the hands of others in many many differing ways, our job is to show them the gospel and then how to walk away and be free in Christ. When we start capitulating that we are also oppressors we have lost the battle.

    I will never accept it. Ever.
     
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    You first. You posted it, you should be able sum it up. One thing I like about MacArthur, he answers questions concisely. Straight to the point, quick easy to understand. If a guy has to take 40 minutes to answer and no one can sum up what he said quickly, it's usually a bad sign.
     
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    The prime signatory part is ARE the ones who wrote it.
     
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    Galatians 2:10. 'They desired only that we should remember the poor, the very thing which I also was most eager to do.'
    Luke 10:29. 'But he, wanting to justify himself, said to Jesus, "And who is my neighbour?'
     
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    Those verses do not cover social justice.
     
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    Tom Ascol, head of the Founders faction of Southern Baptists, explains in an audio interview that he indeed was tasked with crafting the manifesto after a meetup in Dallas after the SBC Annual Meeting. There were over a dozen men that met together at this summit at Herb's House coffee shop on June 19, but only six or seven had input in writing the document: besides Founders head Tom Ascol, they were controversialist James White, Phil Johnson of the Pyromaniacs blog, and several others I'd never heard of.
    John MacArthur and Voddie Baucham merely 'signed off' on what Ascol and the others came up with:

    September 5, 2018 Show with Dr. Tom Ascol on “The New Statement on Social Justice & the Gospel” | Iron Sharpens Iron Radio with Chris Arnzen
     
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    Pics from the historic summit at Herb's House coffee shop where all this got started:

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    Please show me that in the document.
     
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    Social Gospel advocate Walter Rauschenbusch highlighted by your denomination as one of the "fathers of the North American Baptist Conference"!

    Early Conference Leaders

    Walter Rauschenbusch

    "The name of Walter Rauschenbusch is synonymous with the Social Gospel, a movement that exerted a major influence in Mainline American Protestantism at the outset of the twentieth century with the aim of mobilizing American Christians to work for a more just society for all....Walter Rauschenbusch served as pastor to a Baptist congregation of German immigrants....and traveled the length and breadth of America by railroad to advocate the cause of the Social Gospel....He produced the definitive statement of the theology of the Social Gospel, A Theology for the Social Gospel (1917)"
     
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    Still does not make the social Gospel the same as the biblical one though!
     
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