What Is Total Depravity?

Wut?

Do the lost have ANY fruits of the Spirit? Of course not. So, if someone is exhibiting a fruit of the Spirit i.e. faith, then this shows it has came from God.

 

Once again, you are conflating Faith.

Faith/Believe in John 20:31 is a Verb

Faith in Galatians 5:22 is a Noun

 

Is faith a fruit of the Spirit?

 

Nope. Try again.

 

It's a different word used from the Entire Gospel of John. Hence why some translate Galatians 5:22 as "Faithfulness"

 

Again, is faith a fruit of the Spirit? A yes or no is not a hard vote to cast.

 

Well, you can’t have faith and not be faithless. Those who believe have faithfulness.

 

Sin natured humans have no saving faith within them to receive Jesus as Lord with though!

 

Can the lost sinner have inherit faith intrinsic to him though?

 

Since this thread is closing, I would like to say that all who believe a person must make a decision, or choose to believe, or whatever else one must do to be saved, rests on the fact that you already believed (were saved) before you chose, or accepted, or whatever else you did. Or you wouldn't have done any of it. It would have been foolishness to you. So instead of looking at your faith as a condition you met, rejoice that you have faith, it proves Jesus died for you or you would not have it.

 

You proved your election byhaving that "saving kind of faith"

 

You act like "believing" is like some special power inside a person in a metaphysical sense. This speaks of a Sci-Fi movie more than it does the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

No, I am jsut saying that faith does not come from within sinners, we do not have that capability, its given to us when God regenerates us to now believe!

 

Faith comes by hearing the Word of God.

 

Yes, but only for them that have been granted ears to really hear!

 

Nope they don't I agree that is why there is the gospel. The gospel alone leads men to salvation without any extra grace from God.

 

Great response to that line Calvinists use when's the last time you saw a dead person reach out for something (or words similar) Well of course...do dead people sin, commit crimes and disobey? Yeah our dear Calvinists friends can't have it both ways here....if they're dead they're dead....if they can't reach out to receive than neither can they sin.

 

Pick one.

Romans 10

10for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

10for with the heart a person believes, AFTER HE IS MADE righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, AFTER salvation.