1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Would you stay? 4

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by steaver, Sep 7, 2018.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Earth Wind and Fire

    Earth Wind and Fire Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2010
    Messages:
    33,377
    Likes Received:
    1,568
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Spoken like a true literalist.
     
  2. steaver

    steaver Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2004
    Messages:
    10,443
    Likes Received:
    182
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    Hint, It is a question!
     
  3. Thinkingstuff

    Thinkingstuff Active Member

    Joined:
    May 14, 2008
    Messages:
    8,248
    Likes Received:
    9
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    Martin, thank you for getting what I was saying. I don't criticize crackers. Actually, Catholics use both regular leavened bread and wafers. The Eastern Rites tend to use regular leavened bread while the Western or the Latin Rite uses the unleavened wafer. The reason I believe this is that it has symbolic reasons. Leaven in scriptures is often related to sin.
     
  4. Thinkingstuff

    Thinkingstuff Active Member

    Joined:
    May 14, 2008
    Messages:
    8,248
    Likes Received:
    9
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    Does it really matter to you what I believe about this? What do you believe? I believe I am correctly obeying Jesus command.
     
  5. steaver

    steaver Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2004
    Messages:
    10,443
    Likes Received:
    182
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    Yes, this is a debate board. What people believe is what we debate. By doing this we test doctrines and beliefs, and learn what others believe. The reason it very much matters is because you said faith and doing what Jesus says to do is how one is saved. You claim The RCC is correct on all matters of biblical doctrine. If you believe this, and you have the truth of this matter, then you need to tell others if they might be doing something incorrectly and as a result may not be saved.

    So please tell me, do you believe I am obeying this command correctly? If not, what must I do that I may obey it correctly and be saved?
     
  6. Earth Wind and Fire

    Earth Wind and Fire Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2010
    Messages:
    33,377
    Likes Received:
    1,568
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I know:Cool
     
  7. Adonia

    Adonia Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2016
    Messages:
    5,020
    Likes Received:
    941
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    No, the truth!
     
  8. Adonia

    Adonia Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2016
    Messages:
    5,020
    Likes Received:
    941
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    No, it was heretics who rejected this Christian orthodoxy. Tell me Batman, if the sacraments were a heresy, why didn't our Eastern Orthodox brothers ditch the theology of the sacraments when the great schism of Christianity occurred in the 11th century?
     
  9. JonShaff

    JonShaff Fellow Servant
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2015
    Messages:
    2,954
    Likes Received:
    425
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Because they teach heresy, too!
     
  10. Thinkingstuff

    Thinkingstuff Active Member

    Joined:
    May 14, 2008
    Messages:
    8,248
    Likes Received:
    9
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    You are clearly after something else. I have explained to you clearly. I have answered your questions. I have expressed my beliefs. Now it is up to you to consider them and accept or reject them.
     
  11. Thinkingstuff

    Thinkingstuff Active Member

    Joined:
    May 14, 2008
    Messages:
    8,248
    Likes Received:
    9
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    I re-read your post, and I still think you are after something else. However, I wanted to say something specifically to Salvation. I think your view of it and mine are different. For me Salvation encapsulates our entire life culminating in heaven. Every decision and every action. Jesus said to his disciples that their righteousness must be greater than that of the Pharisees. Which to me means its not about lists but faith and living it out. Jesus restores our friendship with God and we live out that friendship. If we abandon that friendship the relationship breaks down. What I don't believe is that salvation is a once and done thing. We get our "faith" ticket stamped and getting to heaven is final which may or may not affect the rest of our life. Nor do I believe by following a bunch of lists while I have no faith or relationship with God. The things we do as Catholics maintain us our side of that relationship, God does his part by giving us the Holy Spirit and grace to guide us as we follow him. But if we don't have that relationship founded in faith to begin with those things don't really help but can condemn us. Like the passage in 1 Corinthians 11 says :" So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord"
     
  12. atpollard

    atpollard Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2018
    Messages:
    4,643
    Likes Received:
    1,158
    Faith:
    Baptist
    While your comments were not directed at me, I generally liked and agreed with most of what you said.
    With respect to this ...
    ... I would see the relationship differently. We do not have a "friendship" with God restored through Christ, we have our relationship upgraded from "dead in sin" (Ephesians 2:1) "already judged" (John 3:18) "enemies of God" (Romans 5:10) to children of God (Romans 8:15). While this does not make it impossible for us to go astray, as the Prodigal Son went astray (Luke 15), I am confident that "he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion" (Philippians 1:6) and like the Prodigal Son, all of God's adopted children will eventually "come to their senses" (Luke 15:17) and return home to find the God waiting with open arms.

    While I agree that Sacraments are of no value to those without faith, wasn't this verse ...
    ... really more about people turning the Table into a drunken party rather than a somber remembrance?


     
  13. steaver

    steaver Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2004
    Messages:
    10,443
    Likes Received:
    182
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    You are not being honest. My questions are very pointed and very answerable to point. You don't want to answer and I believe it is because you know your answer confuses your own beliefs. Which is a good thing actually for it should cause you to question what you have been told to believe is truth and search for the answers which are of gold, silver and precious stones.

    To the board which is watching this thread, when the most important question one can ask, "what must i do to be saved?", we can see how the Catholic answers fall all over the map, even though they claim to speak as one voice.

    Is there a Catholic here which can answer my simple question I have concerning partaking in the Lord's Supper? I laid it out clearly and will re-post it now....

    "We participate in the Lords supper as Jesus commanded."

    Not sure if you don;t understand the question or if you are avoiding it, but I will attempt to make my question more clear if possible.

    Define...... "participating in the Lord's supper". How is this performed today?

    Maybe it will help if i tell you how I participate in the Lord's supper. About once a month in our service we take some broken crackers and some grape juice, we have someone read scripture reminding us of the Sacrifice Jesus made with His broken body and His shed blood for our sins, then we have someone lead us in prayer to bless the sacraments and then we partake together. On the front of our communion table is engraved the words "Do this in Remembrance of Me".

    Now I asked you what your definition is, since you are a Catholic and believe this must be done in order to be saved. Is the way I and my church do it correct? Or is there another way? This is very important is it not, since you referenced it must be done in order to be saved (among other things). Another question would be how many times does it have to be done in order to be saved?

    Do you believe I am obeying this command correctly? (This is VERY important from a Catholic pov, if Thinkingstuff's answer to "what must I do to be saved?" which was "have faith in Jesus Christ and do what He says to do" is correct, folks who have the scriptures better be doing what Jesus said to do! )
     
  14. Adonia

    Adonia Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2016
    Messages:
    5,020
    Likes Received:
    941
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    Broken crackers and grape juice? You are getting it wrong from the get go on that statement alone.
     
  15. steaver

    steaver Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2004
    Messages:
    10,443
    Likes Received:
    182
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    Ok, thank you! How must it be done so I may be saved?
     
  16. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    So the Grace of Calavary was not enough to cover and atone for all of our sins?
     
  17. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    isn't that the best way to understand the scriptures though?
     
  18. Walter

    Walter Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2011
    Messages:
    2,518
    Likes Received:
    142
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    Never said that. The sacraments are a channel of the Grace of Calvary. Ask any Presbyterian, Anglican, Methodist, Catholic, Lutheran, Disciple of Christ, or Orthodox Christian.
     
    #98 Walter, Sep 19, 2018
    Last edited: Sep 19, 2018
    • Like Like x 1
  19. atpollard

    atpollard Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2018
    Messages:
    4,643
    Likes Received:
    1,158
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Point of clarification: "A channel" or "THE channel" of the Grace of Calvary?
     
  20. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    None of the reformed or Baptists though would see them as being conduits of saving grace as Rome does!
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
Loading...