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Physical Kingdom Problems

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by 1689Dave, Oct 15, 2018.

  1. 1689Dave

    1689Dave Well-Known Member

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    Physical Kingdom Problems

    Jesus’ kingdom is spiritual. And this is a problem for the physical kingdom views of a Millennium. Where these say the kingdom will come before the end of the world and remain for 1000 years. Jesus says it is already here. (Luke 11:20). Paul says flesh and blood cannot inherit it (1 Corinthians 15:50). Jesus says it comes without observation (Luke 17:20). And John says only those born-again can enter it (John 3:5).

    This means, if a millennial kingdom were to come after the resurrection and rapture, the only place scripture allows for it (1 Thessalonians 4:16–17), only saints in glorified bodies would populate it. (Since flesh and blood cannot inherit it). So when the 1000 years would end with Satan loosed, only myriads of glorified saints would avail themselves to form Gog and Magog and attack the rest of the glorified saints.

    Another problem would be fitting a millennium into this present evil world after Jesus already said his kingdom is not of this world. And a Millennium cannot be in the world to come. Because it is a perfect world, not having the sin and conflicts an earthly millennium has. Infants dying a hundred years old and cursed sinners a hundred years old and so on. And beside these two worlds or ages, scripture mentions no other.

    Also, with a 1000-year millennium on earth, anyone would know the time of the end. And this is something only the Father knows. Some might argue an indefinite period of time remains after the 1000 years while Satan wreaks havoc on the church. But if this were the case, you must cram it all into earth’s last day. “For just as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ, the firstfruits; then when Christ comes, those who belong to him. Then comes the end, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father, when he has brought to an end all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be eliminated is death.” (1 Corinthians 15:22–26)

    So people would still know the time of the end. Because Paul says Jesus must reign until he destroys the last enemy – death. And this happens at the end of the world.
     
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    Revelation states plainly to us that Jesus will reign here upon the earth, and THEN turn the kingdom over in fullback to the father, and when he is reigning, all people and nations shall be obeying Him! Future event still to comwe!
     
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    Jesus' kingdom is not of this world. When he returns, the resurrection happens (restoration of Israel who are believers in Christ). Followed by the rapture of the same. Followed by the resurrection of the wicked in judgement. And the conflagration of this universe and the creation of the New Heavens and Earth where we live forever.
     
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    The first resurrection will be at the Second Coming, correct?
     
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    The first Resurrection is the New Birth completed in the resurrection of the body on the last day.
     
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    No, as the first resurrection is wehen jesus returns for his own, and the lost are raised up in second one!
     
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    This is the completion of the first resurrection, the new birth.
     
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    There is only one physical resurrection, at time of Second Coming, correct?
     
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    No, there are two.
    “And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” (John 5:29)
     
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    1000 years beyween the two of them!
     
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    Jesus says they both happen on the last day. You need to adjust to this.
    “Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” (John 5:28–29)
     
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    There is the kingdom of 'heaven' which is the New Jerusalem:

    Revelation 21:1-2 (KJV)
    1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
    2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

    New Jerusalem does not land. Stays in the sky (heaven.)

    Then there is the kingdom of God which is Christ Himself. The Person.

    Matthew 12:28 (KJV)
    28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

    Romans 14:17 (KJV)
    17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

    1 Corinthians 15:50 (KJV)
    50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
     
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