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Trump: I always want to tell the truth. When I can, I tell the truth

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by Gold Dragon, Nov 1, 2018.

  1. Gold Dragon

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    Trump: 'I do try' to tell the truth

    For whatever reason, Trump rarely feels he can tell the truth. To be fair, he is admitting he lies. Sure other presidents/politicians lie as well. But Trump has set a new bar for this in American politics.

    Every false claim Donald Trump has made as president
     
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    No he hasnt
     
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    Really, the Dems need to get a life. The President is correct about the border emergency and he is moving as needed to meet the crisis. The women that in the caravan that ABC is talking about are raped all the way through Mexico by the cartels and by other members of the caravan. The Mexicans have had skirmishes with the people in these caravans and the Mexican Ambassador to the USA has officially informed us that there are some vicious criminals in the caravan. One of the problems in Mexico is that the cartels control much of the Mexican army and the current president only has a month to serve before the newly elected communist president takes over.

    A second problem is that the Democrats have refused to close a loophole in the immigration law dating back half a century that allows us to send Mexicans home immediately but forces us to give hearings to all others. Another thing is that international law says that you have to seek sanctuary in the first country that you land in but this mob had refused Mexican offers and insisted on going to the USA where the welfare is higher just as the Muslims are doing in Europe when they demand to be allowed to go to Germany, which offers them the best welfare in Europe.

    Another problem is that these mobs contain people from all over the world.

    Whatever the Washington Post or the New York Times say is not important because we have full-blown yellow journalism in those two institutions, as well as ABC. Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post and he is a liberal democrat who hates Trump. In the case of the New York Times, it is owned by perhaps the richest man in the world Mexican Carlos Slim who lives in the Riviera and who also hates Trump. Slim is more or less a crook who got his hands on the Mexican telephone company when the socialist one-party government sold the government ownership after about eighty years in a crony deal to Slim, who also owns TracFone in the USA. Neither Bezos nor Slim are noted for their kindness.

    These mobs hope to go to California where welfare is high and where they can attack and displace blacks and take their jobs by their willingness to work for a song. This has already caused almost 58,000 homeless blacks in Los Angeles alone. People like Maxine Waters are willing to displace blacks to get the Latino votes even if they are illegal and Maxine Waters wants to put blacks in welfare project housing and let Democrat businessmen have the cheap labor that they want. California is like Mexico except for along the coast and in Silicon Valley and Hollywood and West Hollywood where the super rich live in mansions. Black approval of Trump is near forty percent as they realize that this cheap labor affects them first and some blacks are even calling for the repeal of the fourteenth amendment, a Republican imposed amendment to grant full protected citizenship to blacks against the KKK, Jim Crow, literacy tests, and poll taxes of the Democrat Party.
     
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    Perspective. Trump probably has set the bar much higher in admitting some lies are necessary, and higher still in keeping promises made.

    Context. The president is commander-in-chief. We have real enemies. All are economic ones; some are much worse. You do not tell enemies what they want to know.

    “In wartime, truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies.”--Churchill
     
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    I agree that there are situations for people in leadership positions where it is a necessity to misinform or at the least withhold the truth for the good of his/her people. A good leader knows when the truth can be damaging to his/her people and needs to make that hard decision sometimes. Often it is because the best choice for the people going forward is not the popular choice. I am very understanding of leaders who lie or mislead because of that.

    However, these are rare situations. Most politicians lie or mislead because they hold a position or make decisions that are better for themselves at the cost of his/her people and need to massage the narrative to make it more palatable for his/her followers.

    It is often pretty easy see what the motivations for the false claims are when contrasted with the truth. The Toronto Star has over 3000 documented false claims from Trump since his inauguration that you can see for yourself and compare with factual information to consider what his motivations are. They add more every week.

    Every false claim Donald Trump has made as president
     
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    The Dems need to get a life. Maybe they should investigate the lies concerning Paul Bunyan and his Blue Ox Babe.
     
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    Just how long must one to wait for them to load? I’ve tried several times, but all I get is a rotating gear symbol. It matters little though. I’m aware of what he says and how the media spin it. I oft chuckle at such hypocrites with their “liar, liar” finger pointing fits. Many of Trump's “lies” are obvious hyperbole or misstatements.

    I’m also aware of politicians and their lies in general. Obama’s (and I don’t mean how many states he visited) still stick in my craw. He’s one of the worst and far from done. Carol Swain said it right: “[Obama] hates America.” I think she said it in the debate linked below, but more importantly her take on Hillary and her legions of lies here is rather accurate [1:00:17]. As some commenters noted, she and Ann mopped the floor with their intellectually and factually outmatched (I almost said “challenged”) opponents. Relatively speaking, when I think what might have been, Trump & Pence seem like a godsend.

     
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    I'm not a democrat and have nothing to do with them. I've explained this to you before. Are you aware of Democrats that work for the Toronto Star? Pretty much every major free press news source outside of the US recognizes Trump's loose use of "facts".

    Honest republicans recognize that about Trump as well. They just rationalize it as necessary to get what they want. The ends justifying the means.
     
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    Why do Australians hate America so much? Honest Republicans support Trump.
     
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    Considering my wife and children and many of my relatives are American, and I spent many of my formative years growing up in Florida, learning and loving American culture and history, I would say I don't know what you mean by that.

    Most of my Australian friends who are of the conservative Christian sort love the US but shake their heads at the state of American politics, particularly since Trump.

    So if you know Australians that hate America, you need to ask them why.
     
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    I can't remember the fact checking site off hand, but what I found interesting was that Joe Biden got a 17% truthfulness on his public political comments.

    The funny thing is....that was a high score (Trump and Hilary scored far worse). Except a politician do what we want them to do, it doesn't seem we have very high standards.
     
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    Do you believe Bill Clinton? Cheer up, you only have six more years to treat your ulcers. And Babs Streisand is moving to Australia because Trump is making her fat because she has to eat big stacks of pancakes like Michael Moore to relieve her stress. She has so much talent that your loss is our gain.
     
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    Free press does not mean free of bias, free of lies, free of "fake news". They don't count damaging degree of deception, nor are they qualified to. And they have affiliations and agendas besides political party. They often parrot one another as if singly scripted with expert spin calculated to sway emotionally. But now, as counter voices expose them, they've lost it emotionally, becoming collectively unhinged.

    Their essentially anti-America, anti-American rhetoric does not work well with those who still appreciate the USA (pushing for a "USSA" does not count). Maybe they're trying to create an undefeatable underdog, or already have. Professional hypocritical liars trying to undermine Trump by accusing him of what they are most guilty just seems the wrong way to avoid it.

     
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    That Ministry of Truth has been very effective. You will never believe another opinion since you are already conditioned now to assume all views critical to your view is in a vast biased conspiracy against you that hates you. Even when there is documented evidence right in front of you. And you believe that everyone who disagrees with you has been brainwashed by the opposing Ministry of Truth. Orwell was so prescient.

    This is why an independent free press, independent scientific research is so important. It is very telling that Trump and his media voices are constantly attacking those very two things to question their authority. It is right out of the authoritarian playbook.

    When I hear information that differs from my understanding of truth, I ask for evidence and primary source material and investigate. Sometimes I am presently surprised that I was wrong. That is how I learn things and that is how the scientific and medical communities improve. Otherwise we keep repeating the same mistakes of the past. Much of the time I learn that it was the differing information that was wrong.
     
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    Danny boy here is l-a-m-e. Even worse yet, he's a Canadian hipster:

    Daniel Dale (@ddale8) | Twitter

    drips of TDS. So he's got some dumb list of what he perceives as "lies":

    Every false claim Donald Trump has made as president

    lol, he must comb through all of Trump's statements and tweets to do this. He'll never get it, but a lot of what Trump says is deliberate - you know what they say, the truth travels at a snail's pace but a lie travels at the speed of light. He is a master troll and knows his "lies" will be sputtered over by people like Daniel.
     
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    I'm glad you can see through the bluster and agree with Daniel Dale that Trump is a troll that lies to achieve his political purposes which is to get his version of "the truth" on the airwaves.

    Yes, Dale and his team combs through all of Trump's speeches and twitter posts. It is thankless work that you consider trivial and pointless but when the president of the US speaks, his words matter.

    Nigeria cites Trump on shooting protesters

    It is not the same as a troll war on the comments section of a webpage. Policies are made from his words and millions of faithful like carpro and Rev Mitchell wait for Trump and his mouthpieces to tell them what the absolute truth is and how to understand the world.
     
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    There isn’t hardly a bit of truth behind the (more like "a") Nigerian’s reasoning (leader trying to justify his disgraceful action), the motive of whoever (mouthpiece) wrote (repeated/built up) this propaganda article and/or anyone to lyingly suggest that the U.S.A. would use such methods or that Trump’s intent was EVER to be or meant to condone such a thing - all lies!. The only truth to be seen here is that people love lies and twisting the meanings of words, bearing false witness and distorting any fact that they can to make fallacious arguments against those (Trump) that they hate. The only lie being told here is in bring up this story as if it had merit.

    :Mad
     
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    I agree that it is not trump's fault that this Nigerian leader misused what Trump said to commit atrocities. But it is a president's responsibility to carefully choose words that will not be easily be misinterpreted because of the authority his position offers.

    I know he didn't say this but if Obama had said he "wishes someone would get rid of white nationalists, I don't care how" and then a rash of shootings of white folks with confederate flags happens in Texas, wouldn't Obama hold some responsibility even if he didn't pull the trigger? Careless and easily misinterpreted words by the president of the United States have consequences and is not just "trolling" to win a political argument.
     
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    Beto is the big fibber in Texas--he ain't no Latino. Beto is just a great big liberal like Bernie. Elizabeth Warren is more Hispanic than Beto.
     
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