Featured Another "mark of the beast" discussion...

Whatever it is, will be the sign of one now worshipping the Beast, and will be taken by mistake, as one will fully know what it means to have taken it!

 

I don't think it is going to be known at first.

Later it will be revealed that Satan has "taken over" the world and all that have the mark will have to worship him.

There will be a worship marker showing that the user has worshiped him otherwise that person at first revelation will not be able to buy or sell.

If somehow that individual is able to find food, etc then he/she will be beheaded.

Revelation 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

 

Will be indeed interesting times!

 

A 'mark' is an indicator that directs us to a characteristic.

When there is an indication coming from the mind of an individual in their speech, it may be said to 'mark' their character.

When there is an indication coming from the mind of an individual that leads to an action, it may be said to 'mark' their behavior.

Thinking takes place in the 'forehead' region' of an individual, in their mind.

Behaviour, such as typing, for example, that takes place when an individual animates their members, or put's their hands to a situation ( typing, in our example).

In the event, an individual's thinking (using their forehead) and/ or behavior (activating their forearm) reflect and agree with the supernatural evil influence exhibited by corrupt, criminal elements, in Governmental Power, that individual has indentified themselves as being associated with and in possession of a character that God Shows us is, "The Mark of The Beast in the forehead" and "The Mark of the Beast in the Forearm".

 

And is not the Pope worshipped by many millions? And is not his church "Drunk with the blood of the saints?"

 

You don't know your history. In the past without that mark you were unable to bujy or sell.

 

My cat has a chip. Does that mean she worships the beast?

 

Yes but I sincerely believe the "beast" has not yet been made manifest.

 

" For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth [will let], until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 [even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." ( 2 Thessalonians 2:7-12 )

 

Ah Yes, but you are a futurist, and that teaching was invented by Jesuits to muddy the waters. It didn't have muhj effect until Irving and Darby developed it.

 

A certain form of futurism was developed by Jesuits (secret rapture) and later enhanced by others but certain elements of futurism were known even by the Early Church Fathers (Chialism, Jacob's Trouble...)

 

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he (The Roman Emperrtor)_ who now letteth [will let], until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, (The Papacy) whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 [even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan(The Pope) with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: (Roman Catholicsm)
12 that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." ( 2 Thessalonians 2:7-12

BUT you omitted-

• 1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
• 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
• 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
• 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
• 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
• 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
• 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
• 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Note the order of things. All those things will happen before our gathering together our gathering to the Lord.

Firstly the falling away from the faith.2ndlly the man of sin will be revealed (The Papacy) All those other things would follow before we gather to the Lord.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
Paul told them privately, amd the early church told us what that was.

 

Chilialism was not fuurism till the Jesuits, Irving and Darby. It was historicism which is what the churcjh 'fathers' taught. I have not come across their teaching on Jacos trouble, perhaps you could give a reference.Please.

 

I don't subscribe to the papacy as being the Anti-Christ of Revelation...just one of many, and the "Harlot" being much bigger than just the Roman Catholic Church...to me, it's baptized religion centered on the Vatican.

I'll put this in, then:

" Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and [by] our gathering together unto him,
2 that ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God." ( 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 )

Who is "that man of sin" who is yet to be revealed?
Who is that "man of sin" who is called the "son of perdition" ( John 17:12 ) who sidles right up to Christ's own and kisses them in betrayal?
Who is that "man of sin" who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God?
Who is that "man of sin" who is worshipped as God, and who sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he IS God?

I agree that, over the centuries, the popes have filled some of those "boots", but not all of them at once.

I have not seen a world figure yet, worshipped by everyone, who commands people to have his mark put either in their hand or in their forehead on pain of death, who claims to BE God ( not just the Vicar* of Christ, speaker for God ) and sits in the Temple at Jerusalem, who has caused the sacrifice and the oblation to cease ( the Abomination of Desolation ).

*Middle English: via Anglo-Norman French from Old French vicaire, from Latin vicarius ‘substitute,’ from vic- ‘change, turn, place’ (compare with vice).


What I have seen is many who come in Christ's name and both lie to, and oppress His sheep.

I see man-made religion, that claims to be of Christ, as the "Harlot"...who has many daughters.
To me, the city on seven hills ( Rome, The Vatican ) is her "seat".

I agree.
All those things will happen before Christ's sheep are gathered from the four winds ( Matthew 24:31 ).

 

Two-part second coming?
I've heard that taught somewhere before...

 

I can tell you that it should be somewhere in the BB archives.
Scan for it.
There was a very lengthy debate/discussion between AsteriskTom and I on it.

Personally David I don't want to take the time to do it for you.

However here is a suggestion - to start try this web site : EARLY PREMILLENNIALISM

 

The Plymouth Brethren.

 

I was being "cheeky".
It's very popular, all over the airwaves and in the visible churches today, from my observations.
I was taught it growing up in "Independent, Fundamental Baptist" circles.

From my own research, I haven't been able to find reference to it in any writings, anywhere, before the late 1700's,...and not being taught widely until well after Darby.

 

Those who opposed the new teaching of The Plymnouth Brethren said they taught two second comings, one for the saints and then for the saints. To counter this they said it is one coming in two parts.

(My wife and I were once in the Peebs, as she called them. She was converted at a PB childrens camp.)

The last Brethren preacher I heard seemed to teach a third.

• Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
• 10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
• 11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

He said that Jesus was only speaking to the Jews, this coming was only to the Jews and Christians would not be there. When I asked him afterwards where were the Christians then? He replied "In heaven." I didn't get a chance to ask my next question as he shouted "You don't believe the scriptures." I do believe the scriptures, but I don't b elkieve his intgerpretation. My followiing question would have been. If Christians are in heaven and Christ is bodily on earth with the Jews, haow can we be forever with the Lord?

• 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.